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Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

Last post 08-30-2019, 2:29 by Bob keen. 21 replies.
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  •  08-27-2019, 0:50 787606

    Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    Is Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate more stable than older versions, when working with projects between 30 and 60 minutes long?
  •  08-27-2019, 1:10 787607 in reply to 787606

    Re: Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    Haven't used it enough to be able to truly tell.  Faster render than ps21.5.  It does seem to close the program properly so far.
  •  08-27-2019, 6:17 787613 in reply to 787606

    Re:Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    fidel47:
    Is Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate more stable than older versions, when working with projects between 30 and 60 minutes long?

    Editing is smoother = less slowdowns with long projects.

    Stability has been improved.

  •  08-27-2019, 9:21 787621 in reply to 787613

    Re: Re:Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    For a first release, this one is pretty good. More stable than past first releases.

    For me, stability is the most important "feature" that I want. Yes, new "bling" is nice, but it doesn't mean anything if the software is crashing all the time.

    So far, again, for what I do, pretty stable.

  •  08-27-2019, 10:26 787623 in reply to 787621

    Re: Re:Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    It was the most thorough and complete install I have seen yet.

    Upon the first time running it, I don't know how or why, but it went through all 156,000+- video clips and pictures on my computer and added most of them to the library. I didn't like that.  I can't even begin to find anything.  It even added video clips that no longer exist from old projects to the library as Red exclamation marks.  Not sure if it pulled the info from projects it found?  It added way more items to the library than what is in my PS18 and PS21 library.  Not sure why.  I have found no easy way to delete large numbers of the clips from the library.

    1080p editing is very smooth now.  4k timeline editing is a little better than PS21.5.  4k effects, titling, and adjustments are mostly the same.  Intel Quicksync support is faster.

    Purchased, but never installed PS22, but the transition handling and adjustment takes a little time to get used to.  You can still grab the corners of the clips and pull them back, but the grabbing areas have become smaller because now there is a hand cursor that appears to slide the transition left or right between the clips.  Still haven't mastered it yet.  

  •  08-27-2019, 11:48 787625 in reply to 787623

    Re: Re:Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    Strange how it went through all your video clips. That didn't happen to me.

    Do they show up in the Watchfolder list in Setup>Control Panel?

  •  08-27-2019, 18:31 787658 in reply to 787625

    Re: Re:Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    Attachment: No Watch Folders.jpg
    I have no watch folders turned on.  
  •  08-27-2019, 18:36 787659 in reply to 787658

    Re: Re:Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    Media missing errors for media that hasn't been in the folder.  It's like it pulled it from old projects.
  •  08-27-2019, 23:27 787664 in reply to 787659

    Re: Re:Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    I just completed a 90 minute project with Studio 23 tonight. I split it into two 45 minute parts, then put both together for the final 90 minute final file. No issues.

    I don't like to go much longer than 45 minutes, no matter the software. 

  •  08-28-2019, 10:07 787697 in reply to 787623

    Re: Re:Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    acsscott:
    ...Upon the first time running it, I don't know how or why, but it went through all 156,000+- video clips and pictures on my computer and added most of them to the library...
    I've seen PS23 (and prior versions too) do that on their first-run; here, what PS23 added to the library did seem to match up with what was in the library of PS22 (it added pretty much everything - except project bins)!

    I didn't like that automatic addition either as it filled PS23's library with junk I was unlikely to use; I would like the option to turn off that behaviour, or better still, to have a fully-fledged "migration" tool to define exactly what (if anything) I want to carry forward from the previous version.

    Regards,
    Richard

  •  08-28-2019, 10:20 787698 in reply to 787697

    Re: Re:Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    Some of the assets ps23 pulled into the library were from projects done in 2006.  Maybe I imported or touched these old projects in ps21.  I purchased ps22, but never installed it.
  •  08-28-2019, 11:45 787708 in reply to 787697

    Re: Re:Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    culpanr:

    acsscott:
    ...Upon the first time running it, I don't know how or why, but it went through all 156,000+- video clips and pictures on my computer and added most of them to the library...
    I've seen PS23 (and prior versions too) do that on their first-run; here, what PS23 added to the library did seem to match up with what was in the library of PS22 (it added pretty much everything - except project bins)!

    I didn't like that automatic addition either as it filled PS23's library with junk I was unlikely to use; I would like the option to turn off that behaviour, or better still, to have a fully-fledged "migration" tool to define exactly what (if anything) I want to carry forward from the previous version.

    Regards,
    Richard

    1st time that I read this.

    I hope it's not a designed function but a bug.

    @ Scott

    You may try a library reset.

     

  •  08-28-2019, 11:56 787710 in reply to 787708

    Re: Re:Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    Yes, very strange behavior.  Never seen this before in prior versions.
  •  08-28-2019, 14:51 787725 in reply to 787708

    Re: Re:Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    saby:
    1st time that I read this.

    I hope it's not a designed function but a bug.

    It's 100% reproducible here - the assets that are imported came from PS22 (I didn't notice anything I had used in an earlier version that wasn't already in PS22's library database. This auto-import occurs on "first-run" with no library database present (move, rename or delete the user's AppData\Local\Pinnacle_Studio_23 folder to have Studio 23 completely rebuild the library database from scratch. This auto-import is not as a consequence of Watchfolders as the factory-default setting is OFF

    What was auto-imported:

    • Video files
    • Scenes from video files (that in PS22 had been given a name (caption) and saved into a Project Bin or a Collection)
    • Picture files
    • Audio files
    • Collections

    What was not auto-imported (probably lots more I haven't come across yet...):

    • Project Bins (seems really weird that Collections were imported but Project Bins were not as their definitions are kept in files in the same folder!
    • Titles and legacy authoring Disc Menus (that were saved under "My Titles" or "My Menus") (from past experience these would only auto-import if Watchfolders are tured on and their location added as a watched folder)
    • Effect Compositions (again, from past experience these would only auto-import if Watchefolders are turned on and their location added as a watched folder)

    My guess is that the auto-import is by design, but has a few bugs. IMO it's a pain - with my (not huge) amount of stuff in PS22's database, PS23's initial database build took 18 minutes! During that time the Studio UI was really sluggish with the spinning blue circle mouse pointer flashing on and off repeatedly - so I just "left it alone" until it had finished (CPU activity dropped to low level and disk activity finished).

    Regards,
    Richard

  •  08-28-2019, 16:35 787735 in reply to 787725

    Re: Re:Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    I will verify this with PS21.5 and PS18 when I get home.
  •  08-29-2019, 4:14 787754 in reply to 787606

    Re: Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    fidel47:
    Is Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate more stable than older versions, when working with projects between 30 and 60 minutes long?

     

    No problem for me working with PS23U for a project 75 minutes long, 3 video tracks, 2 audio tracks, and 2 tracks for photos.

    However, on a 10 second project (yes, 10 seconds).I had some problems using the NewBlue VI "Photo Grid" feature when I wanted to put 9 small video windows on the screen at once. This requires 9 of the 10 second tracks all stacked on top of the other with the effect duplicated on each track, but with a unique location setting within each track (so each can be seen on the screen. Up to, maybe, 5 tracks worked fine, but by the time I had the 9 tracks Studio would crash at every mouse click. Finally, I gave up on the effect and just used the native PS23U "Properties" for each track and placed them manually. Worked great! Here you can see the result I wanted (including various sizes of each clip): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3UG0YIYknk

  •  08-29-2019, 7:01 787760 in reply to 787754

    Re: Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    Hi Larry,

    What about using split screen feature ? 

  •  08-29-2019, 9:34 787765 in reply to 787754

    Re: Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    As an FYI, the Picture Grid 9x9 worked fine for me (this is PS 22 though). Rendering got slower as I added each track of course.

     

    Andy 

  •  08-29-2019, 9:47 787767 in reply to 787760

    Re: Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    saby:

    Hi Larry,

    What about using split screen feature ? 

    Thanks, Yann... this is a good idea. I'll try that when I get a chance. It gives a lot more display options!

    Larry 

  •  08-29-2019, 9:51 787768 in reply to 787765

    Re: Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    plattyaj:

    As an FYI, the Picture Grid 9x9 worked fine for me (this is PS 22 though). Rendering got slower as I added each track of course.

     

    Andy 

    Thanks, Andy. I also noticed that things got slower as I added tracks. Turning off the real-time rendering and setting the optimization to 0 helped me set things up, but as I approached the 9th track it didn't prevent PS23 from crashing with each mouse-click. I appreciate your response.

    Larry 

  •  08-29-2019, 12:50 787773 in reply to 787767

    Re: Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    PuterMan:
    saby:

    Hi Larry,

    What about using split screen feature ? 

    Thanks, Yann... this is a good idea. I'll try that when I get a chance. It gives a lot more display options!

    Larry 

    That's the least you can say.

    Big Smile 

    Since PS22, the container (the drawn shape) and the media it contains, have keyframable independant properties. Very powerful tool !

  •  08-30-2019, 2:29 787792 in reply to 787773

    Re: Working with Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate in long projects

    I have found PS23 to be more stable in connection with the titler too. Previously, in older versions, whilst updating my Football League Table which contains a lot of characters, I would get a crash at least 4 times. Since installing PS23 this is not happening.

    For the past few versions of Studio there has been a problem with some Library items not appearing. I have had to use the importer to get 'My Titles' to be included for at least the last two versions.

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