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Last post 07-03-2020, 20:54 by acsscott. 40 replies.
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  •  08-17-2019, 11:12 787204

    Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    I have just downloaded ultimate version 23 (I am Pinnacle user since version 20).

    I made some tests and found out (for me it is fundamental) that possibility to export audio in surround sound completely disappeared!!! (Formerly it was available in MTS format as Dolby Digital 5.1.

    On the other hand audio surround settings for tracks is kept...

    Is it so by mistake? Will it ever return?

    In any case I will stay (at least temporarily) with 22... 

  •  08-17-2019, 13:25 787212 in reply to 787204

    Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    It's no longer available in Windows 7 systems. Still available in Win 10 PCs.

  •  08-17-2019, 13:50 787214 in reply to 787212

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    Nothing to do with pinnacle. You can send your thanks to sony pictures, and the people the pirate movies.  DMR(Digital Rights Management).  Sony made it to where the consumer can no long record anything broadcasted to a removable media.  Not sure who is right, But they sure did it in a sneaky way.  And the honest person like yourself suffers.....
  •  08-17-2019, 13:56 787215 in reply to 787214

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    It's Corel's decision.
  •  08-17-2019, 14:22 787217 in reply to 787215

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    Correct, because Corel has to pay to provide the DRM approved codec with their distribution for older operating systems.  Corel probably considered how many users actually used dolby 5.1, and decided to save the money that was leaking out the door.  Can't blame them.  They should up sell it like the BD burning option.  Windows 10 has dolby 5.1 DRM, so Corel doesn't have to include it with their distribution.
  •  08-18-2019, 4:05 787241 in reply to 787212

    Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    saby:
    It's no longer available in Windows 7 systems. Still available in Win 10 PCs.
    Yann, your screenshot shows that Dolby Digital is available for Studio 23 on Win 10.

    But 5.1 surround export is really missing. I hope it's just per "accident" and not by design.

  •  08-19-2019, 5:02 787303 in reply to 787241

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    I created this thread. 

    But I have Pinnacle on Windows 10.

    Besides  DRM problems I think that Corel had problems with export of surround sound already in Pinnacle version 22 (see my post 'Pinnacle Studio 22 looses surround sound').

    From principle last version with correct surround sound handling was 21. 

    I like to have surround because:

    1. Camera stores sound in DD 5.1.

    2. I like to locate background music a little besides watchers. It sounds nice played with surround equipment.

    Hopefully Corel will do something with it... 

  •  08-19-2019, 5:28 787306 in reply to 787303

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    One more thing: in tech specs they really write that they support AC3 only in Windows 10.

    That's correct: but in Pinnacle 23 it is DD2.0 and not DD5.1!!! 

  •  08-30-2019, 11:30 787815 in reply to 787241

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    IngolfZ:

    saby:
    It's no longer available in Windows 7 systems. Still available in Win 10 PCs.
    Yann, your screenshot shows that Dolby Digital is available for Studio 23 on Win 10.

    But 5.1 surround export is really missing. I hope it's just per "accident" and not by design.

    The 5.1 surround sound export option for both MTS and Blu-ray images is missing for me also in PS23U. I am running the current version of Win 10. Does anyone know if this a bug being addressed or have any advice as how I should proceed to a resolution? This capability is important to me. Thanks.

    Walt

  •  08-30-2019, 11:33 787816 in reply to 787815

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    There is no solution in PS23, so far.
  •  10-05-2019, 11:24 789325 in reply to 787816

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    Hi;

     

    I have just updated to PS 23.1  Ultimate. With DD 5.1 problem in export is not solved. As before it is not possible...

    So I stay with PS22. 

  •  10-05-2019, 12:37 789327 in reply to 789325

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    And one more thing.

    I compared this what is possible with this what is described in manual.

     Please try to get this in 'Output to MyDVD' on PS23 Ultimate. I took this picture from PS23 Ultimate manual...

     [click to view image]

  •  11-17-2019, 14:04 791054 in reply to 787204

    Re: Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    Today I bought ultimate version 23 as well (upgraded from version 20 which hang on my new AMD Ryzen PC during export, a problem Corel couldn't fix).

    In version 20 I can export to Dolby Digital 5.1:

    [click to view image] 

     and not any more in version 23 Angry :

    [click to view image] 

    All my home video's are captured with 5.1 sound. Now with this version it seems not to be possible any more. I am heavily disappointed and honestly a bit angry as well. I bought this new version to fix an issue in version 20 (not working well with AMD Ryzen). Now it seems I have a new problem.

    I hope there will be a formal reply in this thread from pinnacle when it will be fixed.

  •  11-17-2019, 14:38 791058 in reply to 791054

    Re: Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    This situation is the result of a decision they made, not an unexpected bug that they should fix.
  •  11-23-2019, 4:38 791308 in reply to 791058

    Re: Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    I already read a similar reply somewhere else. Thanks for replying.

    For me this is a very poor decision from Corel. I feel now I have bought a new version for nothing. Spend a lot of money that for me now has another issue.

    My hope is that Corel also sees this feedback. I am clearly not the only one. There is no 5.1 export at all. Also not AAC for example.

    Do you know that if you buy the Bluray option, you will be allowed to export to 5.1?

  •  11-23-2019, 4:45 791309 in reply to 791308

    Re: Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    Klaas2:

    Do you know that if you buy the Bluray option, you will be allowed to export to 5.1?

    No 5.1 export even if you buy the Bluray option.  Sad

  •  01-03-2020, 5:56 793166 in reply to 791309

    Re: Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    Hi Saby, A late reply. But thanks for letting me know that buying the Bluray option will not add 5.1
  •  01-03-2020, 10:31 793183 in reply to 787212

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    No DD5.1 in Win7 is the reason I will not upgrade beyond my PS 21.5u.  I have PS 23U. It was included in $25 Humble Bundle package that had other goodies that attracted me.  I will not even install 23U!

    I'd rather Corel charge more to include DD5.1 for Win 7 and it be changed based on the product NOT the OS you install it in.  Total nonsense to have different features, not based on product version but OS because they feel the OS is about to disappear.  That ain’t happening anytime soon no matter what Bill Gates wants us to believe.

    I don’t mind waiting to upgrade when I feel I need to put my Win 7 PC out to pasture.  Only then will I bite the bullet and get latest Dell XPS desktop as is I typically do.  That’s just me.  I know others enjoy building their own PC. 

    Bottomline: I, for one, weigh the audio experience of my productions equal to the video experience.  There is no new features in PS23 or 24, etc. that will change me in this one.

  •  01-03-2020, 11:13 793188 in reply to 793183

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    A lot of software will start abandoning Win7 support, especially video editors. That way they will only have to debug for one OS and not two. Vegas Pro and their consumer version Vegas Movie Studio is Win10 only. Adobe Win10.  Resolve Win8+. The transition in consumer products will take a little longer, although, I think by next versions of consumer editors, you will see only Win10 support.

    As for features, PS23 is ahead of PS21 in color correcting/grading/LUT use along with masking.  But that's only if you need the new features. Some don't need these features. I've not upgraded a product or two because the "new" features they offered were something I was not interested in. So I skipped it and continued what I was doing with the software. I still use MS Office 2003 because that's all I need.

    Not "upgrading" to anyone reading this, does not make your current version non functional in any way.  Only upgrade if you really like the new features that are being implemented.

    As for Surround Sound support, even though I've never used it, I do think that there should be some type of licensing for it going forward. Anyone with AC3 in the software has to pay royalties for it, for each and every piece of the software sold, whether the end user actually uses AC3. I guess it's just like Bluray... PS stopped offering it. I wonder if they are "reading" telemetry from the software so they know who actually has used Bluray. Again, another feature I have not used even though I have a Bluray burner for 9 years. I wonder how much it would cost the end user to get AC3 from Pinnacle.... 

  •  01-03-2020, 11:24 793192 in reply to 793188

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    Tony P:
    I wonder how much it would cost the end user to get AC3 from Pinnacle.... 

    Based on what I read recently, I'd say more than $15.

    My guess : Corel has bet that people using AC3 recording devices are less and less and that the fuss introduced by this decision would not be too big because only users of Win7 can notice it. At least that's what happened last year in the Corel Video Studio community. In addition, new devices manufacturers are abandonning this codec because of the increasing cost Dolby is requesting. And take into account that most people are filming with their smartphones that don't use this codec.

  •  01-03-2020, 11:30 793193 in reply to 793188

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    Tony,

    All acknowledged and known.  Others might not realize so good info.  

    As for Blu-ray, I made certain my 2nd optical drive bay is a BD Writer.... and yet I never have nor ever will on this PC or next one own BD discs or write to BD.  And my Dell was purchased in April 2010 absolutely top of the Dell XPS line at that moment .  I’m pleased with creating quality  DVD's and will not spend a penny more or wait longer to burn a BD.  TO EACH OUR OWN.

    I use two drives to bounce across the other optical disc is of course a DVD Writer.  (and having two optical drives has become a thing of the past - and you are welcome to comment but I know why).  Dell towers not providing for a 2nd optical bay is another turn off but one I can get used to.  No, I don’t need a floppy or 3 1/2 drive bay.  I’m over that.

    Back to DD 5.1 - not having it in PS would be a total showstopper for me.  From what I have read at the Forum, many other people agree!

  •  01-03-2020, 11:34 793194 in reply to 793192

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    Ouch! $15 for AC3. Oh well. But if I needed it...... it's not much to pay.

    As for Bluray discs.... I have a ton of them for movie watching. No way can I look at an old DVD anymore..... but never once burned one. I still have a few blank BR discs somewhere. 

  •  01-03-2020, 11:38 793195 in reply to 793193

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    iraisok:

    Back to DD 5.1 - not having it in PS would be a total showstopper for me.  From what I have read at the Forum, many other people agree!

    What you read is people complaining because they are concerned. Would you say seeing the waiting room's of your doctor full of people that all the town is sick ?   Big Smile

  •  01-03-2020, 11:39 793196 in reply to 793194

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    Plus even more for what they charge Microsoft to support it in Windows 10.....
  •  01-03-2020, 11:40 793197 in reply to 793194

    Re: Re:Pinnacle Studio Ultimate - version 23 surround sound export disappeared

    Tony P:
    Ouch! $15 for AC3. Oh well. But if I needed it...... it's not much to pay.

    While not fair to base price on OS, I’d pay $15 immediately but I know it would only apply to a single version of PS similar to BD license.

    Make it happen and I’ll wait for PS 24u and happily pay $15 

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