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Gonna get a new camera.

Last post 08-09-2012, 21:37 by bigrock. 14 replies.
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  •  07-21-2012, 19:00 541251

    Gonna get a new camera.

    I think I am gonna get a new camera and am choosing between 3 models:

    Canon XF-100 http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/camcorders/professional_camcorders/xf100

    Panasonic AG-AF100 http://www.panasonic.com/business/provideo/ag-af100.asp

    Sony HXR-NX70 http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-broadcastcameras/cat-nxcam/product-HXRNX70U/

    Leaning towards the Panasonic with a Pentax K lens adapter so I can use all my Pentax Lens on it.

    So opinions?

  •  07-21-2012, 20:30 541258 in reply to 541251

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    So just out of curiosity.... are you not considering a DSLR too for some specific reason?    Those are all nice cameras - the Panasonic has some really great reviews....and no DOF adapter needed.....just the pentax adapter for your lenses.
  •  07-21-2012, 23:35 541265 in reply to 541258

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    JMSVIDEOPRODUCTIONS:
    So just out of curiosity.... are you not considering a DSLR too for some specific reason? .

    I already have several Pentax Units, they are great however the footage does not mix well with real Video cam footage. Rolling shutter is much more of an issue on DSLR's especially during panning. You have to pan real slow. The Panasonic seems to have solved this issue. It is the most expensive of the 3. The Canon has the advantage of 4:2:2 50Mbs Mpeg2 codec and it's a thousand cheaper then the Panasonic but it also has a sensor 1/3 sensor, way way smaller than the Panasonic. The Sony unit is the cheapest and is enviroment sealed (you can throw in the shower).

    This article also gives a real good talk on why all DSLR's are not really that good - out of control aliasing - it's an interesting read - http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/article.php/20. I have seriously considering going all DSLR, but I have somewhat reached the conclusion that the cheapness of the cameras is a bit of myth because you end having to add a lot of stuff that is built into a videocam.

  •  07-24-2012, 2:07 541502 in reply to 541265

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    I would be curious would youze guiys think is the best non-dslr in the 3-4.5k price range.
  •  07-25-2012, 8:04 541669 in reply to 541502

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    I know it is out of your range, check out the Sony EX-1R.
  •  07-25-2012, 23:52 541799 in reply to 541669

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    I shot this with my Pentax K-X 3 years ago, forgot about and rediscovered it in my archives last week. Wasn't really paying any attention so it could have been a lot better, was running to HDV cams at the time for the real product. Should have probably turned them off and just used the SLR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n86xYIKU8zU

    This what got me thinking about getting a new camera.

  •  07-26-2012, 2:45 541816 in reply to 541669

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    TVJohn:
    I know it is out of your range, check out the Sony EX-1R.

     

    I like the EX-1R. I don't like the $1000 SXS cards it require however. 

  •  07-30-2012, 1:49 542267 in reply to 541816

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    You can get SDHC adpaters the get rid of the need to buy SXS cards.

    I am talking a look at the SonyPMW-100 XDCAM HD422, real good deals on it right now with $500 rebate, any used it, opinions?

  •  07-30-2012, 16:25 542381 in reply to 542267

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    I guess I talked too soon. Apparently the  SDHC cards cannot be formatted to UDF on the PMW-100 so you can't do 50mbs 4:2:2 on SDHC cards which kinda crosses this camera off the list. $1000 for a 32Gb SXS card is a 1000 times beyond ridiculous.
  •  07-30-2012, 19:26 542405 in reply to 542381

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    I have used the EX-1R with the SDXC adaptor using Sandisk 90mbs media. Works well recording best quality 35mbs 1080 30p..
  •  07-30-2012, 23:03 542417 in reply to 541251

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    suggest you compare what your friends and collegues are using -- round me the Panasonic AG-AF100 http://www.panasonic.com/business/provideo/ag-af100.asp you mentioned is very popular -- and its more affordable than some of those other cameras....

  •  08-02-2012, 18:16 542880 in reply to 542417

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    Yes I know some local commercial production folks with the Panasonic AG-AF100P. It's going for about $5200 with a 14-140 lens, $4300 without lens. It does concern me it is a 2+ year old device. There is an update that adds 60p and 28Mbs recording for an additional $250.

    I am kinda of leaning towards the Sony HXR-NX70 right now. It's about $2500 after $300 rebate and has everything I really need including envirormental sealing (rain and dust proof). It also has the advantage of using the same battery packs my HDV's use right now so I save that expense and no need for new media either. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/761581-REG/Sony_HXR_NX70U_HXR_NX70_Compact_Dust_and.html

    The large sensor of Panasonic AG-AF100P or the even larger sensor of Sony FS-100 certainly have their advanatages but I suspect it doesn't really buy me much for most situations. I would have jumped at the Sony PMW-100 ($3500 after rebate) if not for the ridiculous SXS cards and their even more ridiculous cost.

  •  08-03-2012, 1:26 542905 in reply to 542880

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    bigrock:

    The large sensor of Panasonic AG-AF100P or the even larger sensor of Sony FS-100 certainly have their advanatages but I suspect it doesn't really buy me much for most situations. ...

    big sensors help those who want to constrain their DOF -- shallow controllable focus depth is a useful and neat capability to have...

    (for me to get shallow depth on my small sensor camera, I need to be wide aperature and telephoto -- its doable, but tricky ...)

  •  08-03-2012, 18:28 542994 in reply to 542905

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    BARYE:
    big sensors help those who want to constrain their DOF -- shallow controllable focus depth is a useful and neat capability to have...

    The cheapest way to do that is with a digital slr. I don't like the moire lines, alasing, and color buzzing that they all produce however. Not to mention all the video camera functions that are just plain missing and you end spending more then the cost of the dslr camera trying to make up for the that.

  •  08-09-2012, 21:37 543745 in reply to 542994

    Re: Gonna get a new camera.

    I'm curious what are you guys doing about the color noise buzz from Dslr video? Using Neat Video maybe?
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