Hi, i was wondering if the Magic Bullet Looks filters that come with Liquid is going to be upgraded once the new version comes out (http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/magicbulletlooks.html#overview) or is it something we have to buy seperatly?

I can't see in what the new looks differs from the old.

They have basically summed it up as:

• revolutionary interface makes creating and customizing new looks easier and more intuitive
• More than one hundred Look presets that offer more options than ever
• 36 new tools expand upon the previous version’s 10 simple functions

 I guess they will reveal more details when it comes out.

 

Sorry if this is an obvious question to ask, but if I decided to buy the upgrade, I assume it will work with LE7.2, correct ?

Also, I see several different upgrade options (and prices) and am just wondering which one should be applicable to us.

Cheers,
Andreas

I think the Magic Bullet plugin for Liquid is a special version and the one for sale will NOT plug into Liquid. Make sure it does before you spend money.

See here.  The Avid products listed as compatible hosts use a different plugin architecture than Liquid does.  I don't know if the Liquid plugin will be updated.

Further film-looks for Liquid
http://www.prodad.de/gb/vitascene_std_samples_f01.html

I got official confirmation from Red Gaint Software:

"confirmation if the new magic bullet looks coming out in october is compatible with Avid Liquid 7.2

--no due to the advanced GPU and video processing features. But Movie Looks should be working fine."

are they saying that Liquid doesnt support 'advanced GPU and video processing' But yeh..i do realise that Red Gaint is the avid plugin infrustrature instead of the Liquid one. It would be a nice treat though if Pinnacle could upgrade the bundled Movie Looks as the new one support quad cpu's.

also, wouldnt it be nicer if Pinnacle just used the avid plugin framework. One would assume that Avid would start consolidating the technologies from their different but similar products and they focus on the few instead of the many.

zck:

I got official confirmation from Red Gaint Software:

"confirmation if the new magic bullet looks coming out in october is compatible with Avid Liquid 7.2

--no due to the advanced GPU and video processing features. But Movie Looks should be working fine."

are they saying that Liquid doesnt support 'advanced GPU and video processing' But yeh..i do realise that Red Gaint is the avid plugin infrustrature instead of the Liquid one. It would be a nice treat though if Pinnacle could upgrade the bundled Movie Looks as the new one support quad cpu's.

I was going to e-mail redgiant to ask this same question - their response (according to your posting) is rather off-base. If that's their official position, how is proDad able to perform complex GPU-accelerated renders for their 'looks' suite?

It means that Red Giant is opting not to try and put their GPU based code in as a Liquid plug-in, whereas ProDAD is being far more aggressive at fully supporting Liquid. IMHO.

isnt the prodad software bundled with the studio version from Pinnacle? If so then that would explain why prodad's stuff works better with Liquid

ProDAD is not bundled with Studio. They're simply filling a needed market niche.

Actually, Vitascene is part of the Studio 11 Ultimate bundle.

I asked Red Giant back in May and got the following response...

A bit more info. The 'standalone' looks editor that comes with MagicBullet 3 Looks, is just for coming up with a new looks setting. It takes a single image import and allows you to tweak the look you want, then save the look preset and finally use it in one of the host applications. What this means is that you're going to need After Effects or one of the other supported hosts to actually do the rendering.

Having said that - the speed increase with this new looks suite (provided you have the right hardware) is unreal. I did a 60 minute play a couple of years ago in HDV that took 80 hours to render one of the magic bullet looks that ships with Liquid. For me, that makes the looks useless. I've just been doing some apples-to-apples testing with the new 'Looks' in After Effects compared with the same named look using the Magjic Bullet looks that ships with Liquid. In this test I used some 1080p24 material saved using the motion JPEG codec so that the whole MPEG-2 issue is removed (After Effects is really bad with native HDV material).

With the 'Curahee' preset in Liquid, a 52 second clip took about 25 minutes to render (on the machine in my profile)

In After Effects 7 with the new MagicBullet 3 looks, the rendering took just 3 minutes and 26 seconds (6 times faster)

Very nice.

very nice ..i use mb extensivily and the long rendering times is a nightmare at times. iam just hoping that pinnacle announce that they are releasing the new version of MB in liquid 8.0 or that they supporting the avx plugin framework in liquid so i can use this. Other wise..adobe premier..here i come