Yes Pinnacle Studio 8 is outdated, but it uses very little system resources so I am trying to use it to capture video.

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 This is what I'm using to capture video, and it plugs in the back of the computer in a card - I'm not really sure exactly what it's called because I've used it for so long.

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the red cord is where it plugs in... I hope this helps. Anyway I'm trying to pick this device up with Studio 8, and it works on 12, but is not supported by 14. 12 skips too many frames and I can never get a decent video... so can anyone help me detect this device with Studio 8? By the way, it is a Pinnacle product, it's like the pinnacle card or something, I don't know the name.

If it's working with S12, and you purchased it with S8, then it's probably called a "Studio Deluxe Version 2" . It's the same as a 700PCI. You can find the current drivers for the device HERE.

As far as S8, I can't help much. If the above driver doesn't help, you might try the last patch on THIS page.

**ADDED** I didn't look at the picture before I posted. Your picture seems to be a "Studio Deluxe Version 1". I don't "think" it's supposed to work with S12. Maybe a happy mistake ?

Just for reference, HERE is a description of the type 1 and type 2 cards.

towbar:

If it's working with S12, and you purchased it with S8, then it's probably called a "Studio Deluxe Version 2" . It's the same as a 700PCI. You can find the current drivers for the device HERE.

As far as S8, I can't help much. If the above driver doesn't help, you might try the last patch on THIS page.

**ADDED** I didn't look at the picture before I posted. Your picture seems to be a "Studio Deluxe Version 1". I don't "think" it's supposed to work with S12. Maybe a happy mistake ?

Just for reference, HERE is a description of the type 1 and type 2 cards.

 

As I look in Studio 12 on the capture options, it says Pinnacle 700-PCI. So anyway when I applied the patch to studio 8 and the dazzle hardware installer, although it looks like those are for 10, 11, and 12. I guess I could use Studio 12 to capture the video if it didn't keep skipping frames - maybe there's an option to encode after capture like there is on Studio 8? There seem to be some options missing on Studio 12, it's weird. Anyway, now when I try to capture with Studio 8, first I switched to some other device that wasn't there before I applied the patch, but then it froze up, and now whenever I switch to the capture tab it freezes up.

YoshQ:

As I look in Studio 12 on the capture options, it says Pinnacle 700-PCI.

That sounds normal. I've got an AV/DV Deluxe2 purchased with Studio 9. It shows up as a 700PCI.

YoshQ:

 the dazzle hardware installer

Did you apply the proper patch ? Like I said earlier, if in fact the picture you supplied is your computer, then it appears that you have the earlier version which is type 1. The type 1 and type 2 devices use a different driver. One of my computers has a AV/DV Deluxe, and the other has a 700PCI. The firewire port is to the left on both.

YoshQ:

I could use Studio 12 to capture the video if it didn't keep skipping frames - maybe there's an option to encode after capture like there is on Studio 8? There seem to be some options missing on Studio 12, it's weird.

 There isn't such a capture/encode option in Studio 12. Maybe what you are describing is instant dvd, which was a program that used to be included with earlier versions of Studio.

YoshQ:

 Anyway, now when I try to capture with Studio 8, first I switched to some other device that wasn't there before I applied the patch, but then it froze up, and now whenever I switch to the capture tab it freezes up.

You might have to go back and uninstall, then re-install 8 to get things working

towbar:

YoshQ:

the dazzle hardware installer

Did you apply the proper patch ? Like I said earlier, if in fact the picture you supplied is your computer, then it appears that you have the earlier version which is type 1. The type 1 and type 2 devices use a different driver. One of my computers has a AV/DV Deluxe, and the other has a 700PCI. The firewire port is to the left on both.

I applied whichever one said 700.

towbar:

YoshQ:

I could use Studio 12 to capture the video if it didn't keep skipping frames - maybe there's an option to encode after capture like there is on Studio 8? There seem to be some options missing on Studio 12, it's weird.

There isn't such a capture/encode option in Studio 12. Maybe what you are describing is instant dvd, which was a program that used to be included with earlier versions of Studio.

 
I am talking about Studio 8, there's a drop down box with "encode in real time" or "encode after capture" although it is greyed out now that the device is picked up; maybe it's only supported by a different device.
 

towbar:

YoshQ:

Anyway, now when I try to capture with Studio 8, first I switched to some other device that wasn't there before I applied the patch, but then it froze up, and now whenever I switch to the capture tab it freezes up.

You might have to go back and uninstall, then re-install 8 to get things working

 

Thank you! When I reinstalled it picked up my device and I can see my video in the preview window! Although now the colors are messed up now. And when I play the video back, it skipped frames without telling me - a problem I've had before :(

YoshQ:

towbar:

Did you apply the proper patch ? Like I said earlier, if in fact the picture you supplied is your computer, then it appears that you have the earlier version which is type 1. The type 1 and type 2 devices use a different driver. One of my computers has a AV/DV Deluxe, and the other has a 700PCI. The firewire port is to the left on both.

I applied whichever one said 700.

Did you have a look at THIS link to determine if you have a type 1, or type 2 ? In particular, the following words are what I'm looking at:

* AV/DV Deluxe 1 & 2: If the connector closest to the side with the retaining screw on the Studio Deluxe bracket connects to the blue box (bottom connector is the 1394 port), then you have the AV/DV Deluxe 2. If you see you have a reversed bracket layout, in which the side closest to the retaining screw is a 1394 connector (bottom connector is the blue box connector), then you have the older AV/DV Deluxe 1.

If you have the type 1 device, then the proper patch would be for the one listed as "Studio Deluxe Version 1". It's down on THIS list, and the number is 2.0.0.27.

I'm not sure if I have any more ideas. Messed up colors and skipping frames sounds like maybe your computer needs updating. Take a look at THIS page, and update your profile a bit. There might be something in your computer specs that someone might recognize as causing your problems.  

 

towbar:

I'm not sure if I have any more ideas. Messed up colors and skipping frames sounds like maybe your computer needs updating. Take a look at THIS page, and update your profile a bit. There might be something in your computer specs that someone might recognize as causing your problems.  

 

I'm gearing toward this point. Can post this system's computer specs? That way we can better gauge the situation.

I attached my DxDiag.txt (I think), but I figured out that the colors was a result of the "AV/DV Deluxe 1/2", because sending video through it into the Pinnacle Video Transfer also produced these color changes. The unreported frame skippage still is unexplained though. And according to your description of the "AV/DV Deluxe 1/2", I have AV/DV Deluxe 2.

Have you looked at THIS thread. Lots of things to check.

It seems that your GPU is quite underpowered for S12, and I would seem to think it's the same for S8. Frankly speaking, I would suggest that you consider an upgrade. The MX440 is a minimal GPU, I'm surprised that it's installed in an Alienware computer.

Wow. This must be a service video card of some sort. Unless its a flagship back in 2002.

You may need to upgrade your video card, unfortunately the MX440 may not cut it.

Marc P.:

Unless its a flagship back in 2002.

I think that the card was an "entry level" card, one that is a step up from "onboard" graphics. However, it's no hotrod by the stretch of the imagination. I've had a few of them over the years, and have been immediately pleased when I upgraded.

The memory on the card is only 64K, and that is going to cause some sluggisgness in the program. Also, the card does not support DX9,  or however you would say it.

The minimal Nvidia card that I got to work in S9 is the FX5200/256. The minimal card for S10 and above would be the FX6200/256. (Just my personal experiences with things here.)

It seems that your GPU is quite underpowered for S12, and I would seem to think it's the same for S8.

No, that card is more than adequate for Studio 8. Studio 8's graphics requirements were low enough that it could ALMOST run off of a large candle and shadow-puppets...no hotrod video card required.   DirectX 7 graphics were all that was specified -- even my old VooDoo Banshee would run Studio 8.

Frankly speaking, I would suggest that you consider an upgrade. The MX440 is a minimal GPU,

Agreed.  Studio 10 and above require much more card than that.   The MX440 is (barely) a DirectX-8 card, and you'd want/need a (sticking in the NVidia line) 5200 or better to even *begin* to play, with a dedicated-RAM 6200 being the realistic "floor" for S12.

 

 

That Version 1 Deluxe is one of the old "Cadillac" cards -- it did hardware DV encoding, so you didn't need much of a computer to do capture.  I believe that, once you get the driver/detection issues sorted, you'll be ok using Studio 8 to capture, as your machine spec is *well* above the computers of the day (500MHz PII with "DirectX video" was all that was required back then).

Could be wrong, but that's what I'd expect at first-pass.

BittMann

Ok, so I've uploaded examples of my color and frame skippage problems, so possibly someone could help, although it probably is just that the device has gone bad, because it didn't do this before when I was capturing fine.

This is with Pinnacle Studio and the AV/DV Deluxe 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI4XN8K1lnY

This is with Pinnacle Video Transfer using the same video cords and everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT9ozlCm2W8

This is with Pinnacle Studio and the AV/DV Deluxe 2.

Your card is the AV/DV Deluxe 1.

* AV/DV Deluxe 1 & 2: If the connector closest to the side with the retaining screw on the Studio Deluxe bracket connects to the blue box (bottom connector is the 1394 port), then you have the AV/DV Deluxe 2. If you see you have a reversed bracket layout, in which the side closest to the retaining screw is a 1394 connector (bottom connector is the blue box connector), then you have the older AV/DV Deluxe 1.

Your card has the firewire port nearest the screw, thus you have a Deluxe 1.  The Deluxe 2 drivers probably won't work very well at all with this card.

Also:  Using this card, "native capture" would be in "Full-Quality DV AVI".  Are you capturing in DV AVI, or are you trying to transcode into MPEG during capture?  Transcoding wouldn't be my first choice (I'd capture in the native DV AVI and re-encode to my target output format using Studio, if it were me).

BittMann

 

Please try bittmann's suggestions about capturing in full quality DV-AVI and keep us posted.

And please confirm whether you have a type 1 or type 2 device. Your dxdiag text below describes a type 2, but your first picture shows a type 1.   Bittmanns description should make the identification quite easy. The following is copied from your dxdiag text.

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System Devices
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     Name: Pinnacle AV/DV2
Device ID: PCI\VEN_11BD&DEV_BEDE&SUBSYS_002311BD&REV_00\4&11CD5334&0&60F0
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ksuser.dll, 5.03.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 17:11:56, 4096 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ksproxy.ax, 5.03.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 17:12:42, 129536 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\ks.sys, 5.03.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 12:16:36, 141056 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\kstvtune.ax, 5.03.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 17:12:42, 61952 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\ksxbar.ax,

 

No no, I should have said this earlier, but the pictures I posted were off of google images. My card is indeed #2. So based on this, should I still try capturing in AVI? Because I was capturing in MPEG which produced the said results.

Oh....OK.

Yes, capturing in DV AVI is the highest-quality, least-CPU-intensive option when capturing from those capture devices. 

 

The upside:  Since you have a "2" model, it should work in S12 as well.

Oh. Like what Bittmann mentioned you should be able to capture in high quality which would take the load off your computer's processor.