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To Blue Ray or not To Blue Ray - That is the question

Last post 07-07-2009, 15:46 by Marc P.. 5 replies.
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  •  07-02-2009, 6:56 319519

    To Blue Ray or not To Blue Ray - That is the question

    Hello fellow Studio users.

    I have just brought a Blur Ray Writer for my PC (I really need to get round to updating my profile!)
    When I go to Make Movie with a Blue Ray disc in the drive it shows as a BD (Blue Ray Disc) but the settings only allow a maximum of an 8.5gb disc rather than the 25gb size of Blue Ray.

    I`ve gone throught the Frequently asked Q&As and entered the question "Can  Studio 12 Ultimate write Blue Ray Discs" and the answer comes back "Yes it Can"

    The latest offer in the Pinnacle Online Store has a Video Stream extolling the virtues of Studio 12 Plus & Ultimate being able to write projects to Blue Ray.

    I just can` t find any settings or update that actually will allow me to do so.

    Anyone got any ideas on this? any help advice appreciated.

  •  07-02-2009, 7:47 319528 in reply to 319519

    Re: To Blue Ray or not To Blue Ray - That is the question

    Studio may be reflecting the pre-BD system profile you had when you installed the program.  Or maybe installation of the new BD burner does not fully alter the way Studio recognizes the device.

    My 2007 had a BD burner from the beginning.  When I installed Studio 11, which supported AVCHD-DVD but not BD, it had no option for BD media.  When I upgraded to Studio 12, BD became an option and it allows for both 25 GB SL (dozens burned) and 50 GB DL (of which I've burned 4).

    One thing you could do is uninstall Studio and reinstall it.  During the new installation, I'd bet it would recognize your current hardware and show the disc media options correctly.

    While your at it, make sure you have the Studio 12.1 patch.

  •  07-02-2009, 13:49 319620 in reply to 319528

    Re: To Blue Ray or not To Blue Ray - That is the question

    JKoch:

    Studio may be reflecting the pre-BD system profile you had when you installed the program.  Or maybe installation of the new BD burner does not fully alter the way Studio recognizes the device.

    My 2007 had a BD burner from the beginning.  When I installed Studio 11, which supported AVCHD-DVD but not BD, it had no option for BD media.  When I upgraded to Studio 12, BD became an option and it allows for both 25 GB SL (dozens burned) and 50 GB DL (of which I've burned 4).

    One thing you could do is uninstall Studio and reinstall it.  During the new installation, I'd bet it would recognize your current hardware and show the disc media options correctly.

    While your at it, make sure you have the Studio 12.1 patch.

    JKoch

    Thanks for the advice, very much appreciated.
    I had not previously downloaded the 12.1 patch (was quite happy with a stable set-up, but I took the plunge and downloaded it tonight, and hey presto! the Blue Ray Disc option is now there so I am currently in the make movie process with 272minutes of footage (3 Formula 1 Practice Sessions) with menus at 88% Quality, which will hopefully produce my first ever Studio Blue Ray burnt disc.

    When I normally write my F1 projects I`ve been using 8.5gb duel layer discs and getting around 56% quality (which is excellent as the oiginal footage is Digtal Broadcast Quality), would I be right in saying that if I lowered the quality% on the blue ray disc to say 65% (more minutes on the disc) that this will be as good or better quality than on my 8.5gb dvds? or does it not work like that.

    Thanks for the advice so far

  •  07-02-2009, 21:50 319682 in reply to 319620

    Re: To Blue Ray or not To Blue Ray - That is the question

    armsoft:
    JKoch:

    Studio may be reflecting the pre-BD system profile you had when you installed the program.  Or maybe installation of the new BD burner does not fully alter the way Studio recognizes the device.

    My 2007 had a BD burner from the beginning.  When I installed Studio 11, which supported AVCHD-DVD but not BD, it had no option for BD media.  When I upgraded to Studio 12, BD became an option and it allows for both 25 GB SL (dozens burned) and 50 GB DL (of which I've burned 4).

    One thing you could do is uninstall Studio and reinstall it.  During the new installation, I'd bet it would recognize your current hardware and show the disc media options correctly.

    While your at it, make sure you have the Studio 12.1 patch.

    JKoch

    Thanks for the advice, very much appreciated.
    I had not previously downloaded the 12.1 patch (was quite happy with a stable set-up, but I took the plunge and downloaded it tonight, and hey presto! the Blue Ray Disc option is now there so I am currently in the make movie process with 272minutes of footage (3 Formula 1 Practice Sessions) with menus at 88% Quality, which will hopefully produce my first ever Studio Blue Ray burnt disc.

    When I normally write my F1 projects I`ve been using 8.5gb duel layer discs and getting around 56% quality (which is excellent as the oiginal footage is Digtal Broadcast Quality), would I be right in saying that if I lowered the quality% on the blue ray disc to say 65% (more minutes on the disc) that this will be as good or better quality than on my 8.5gb dvds? or does it not work like that.

    Thanks for the advice so far



    I'm glad that you finally got your burner to work. With regards to the computation, I would  think that It should be as how see it. But the only way to be sure to test it out.
  •  07-03-2009, 6:28 319790 in reply to 319682

    Re: To Blue Ray or not To Blue Ray - That is the question

    The quality settings on your Blu-Ray disc should take maximum advantage of the roughly 22.5 GB usable space on any single BD+R SL disc.  The disk-o-meter is not a very reliable indicator.  The field above it, where the targe file size appears, can be a better estimate.  The actual amount of space needed depends on the format (larger MPEG or more compact AVC) and the bitrate.  You generally want the bitrate to be at least as high as the maximum in your source video.  If your project is under 2 hours in length, generally you can set the bitrate at 25 mbps and still have a target file size under 22.5 GB, even if working with 1920x1080i files.  Above that point, there has to be some trade-off in quality in order to fit everything on a BD+R SL, or else pay $$$ for a BD+R DL. 

    On standard definition projects, the image quality peaks at about 8 mbps and starts to tank after the bitrate goes below 5mbps.  With HD, the best is at 25 mbps.   Quality loss starts to appear as the bitrate goes below 17 mbps.  It is tolerable, even at a rate as low as 9 mbps, if the scene motion or image complexity is low (talking heads, flowers) and the camera still.  Even if your source HD video is relatively low bitrate, you are better off calibrating the output at a higher one, since that entails less recompression or the consequent quality loss.  There is not yet any "smart render" in Studio to export without recoding.  The competing products that perform this do so only with undoctored clips and the feature suspends the moment the timeline encounters clips with effects.  If Studio 13 includes a feature to accommodate multiple video formats, or switch back and forth between recoding and simple transfer, it would fill a big hole.

    "Broadcast quality" can mean a number of different things, these days.  Since this June, all broadcast or cable channels in the US are digital, but obviously only some are HD.  Precisely what type of source video are you editing for BD projects?

     

    The biggest curse of BD projects is that some dedicated players have firmware that is allergic to BD+R or BD+RE.  Some won't recognize the menu structures.  At times, you can't tell whether the fault is with the disc or the player.  The best approach is to burn the first version to a BD+RE, so that in the trial phase you avoid creating an expensive "coaster."

    The other curse of BD is that there are relatively few players and so much confusion between real BD players and the conventional DVD players that "upscale to 1080p" and have an HDMI connector.  If you distribute work to various viewers, you may have to offer dual BD and DVD versions of the same work, and only the latter gets used.  Eventually, distribution of mid-def 1280x720p videos on flash memory cards may overtake optical discs.  One can fit a fair amount of reasonable IQ video on a $7.50 4GB SDHC card.  That price is cheaper than a typical BD-R "single," even though BD-Rs can be bought in bulk for less, but the SDHC card is re-usable.  The disadvantage, though, is that there is no software for creating flash-card videos with menus, yet.

  •  07-07-2009, 15:46 320832 in reply to 319790

    Re: To Blue Ray or not To Blue Ray - That is the question

    JKoch:
     

    The biggest curse of BD projects is that some dedicated players have firmware that is allergic to BD+R or BD+RE.  Some won't recognize the menu structures.  At times, you can't tell whether the fault is with the disc or the player.  The best approach is to burn the first version to a BD+RE, so that in the trial phase you avoid creating an expensive "coaster."



    Have you encountered this on your own player? What measures do you take to avoid it?
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