i got a response from Dazzle tech, but all they said was there was not supposed to be anoother DVD in the box.  so, if the editing software disc HAS the instant DVD creator software, I sure cant find it. looked in the folders, the applicatoin, there is nothing that resembles the instant DVD software.    however, as i mentioned, i downloaded it on the website, but still cant use it or initialize the Dazzle hardware, because i dont have valid serial numbers.  maybe the  pinnicle disc serials will work,but that might have been nice to know.

anyway, its a frustrating experience so far and ready just to take it back

mk