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  •  12-29-2007, 10:10 95164

    Idea [I] A Summary of Rendering & Burning Solutions for Newbies

    Hello Everyone.

    I’d like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who helped me finish my first DVD because, without the help of people in this Forum, it would have been utterly impossible.

    I ran into problems right from the start and spent months – literally - trying to figure out what I was doing wrong. I read all the FAQs, and found a few answers to simple problems ... but the solutions to all my big problems were answered by the amazingly knowledgeable and sharing people in this “Forum community.”

    As I’ve spotted several requests to “Let others know how you managed to succeed,” I’d like to “give back” to this Forum by laying out in detail how I finally managed to finish my DVD ... but please let me make it clear that I’m merely summarizing the tricks I’ve learned from OTHERS in this forum. The wisdom passed on here is NOT my own <g>.

    Note 1: I’ll write this in “Newbie-speak” <g> as I sometimes had trouble understanding exactly how to make the changes suggested by those who are far more knowledgeable and conversant in Studio than me.

    Note 2: fyi ... I’m shooting HD footage on a Sony FX-7 and editing in Studio Ultimate 11.1.1

    Note 3: The project I’ve been working on – “Flying the Finch” – consists of

    ·         A 23-minute “feature,” with lots of stills (several “pan and zoom”) along with voice over and original music tracks.

    ·         4 “DVD Extras” including two 9-11 minute interviews, a 12 minute/180 image slideshow {set to music} and a final 90-second document “slideshow.”

    ·         One 5-item menu, with moving thumbnails.

    So here’s what I learned, and how I fixed, “the big problems”:

     

    Re making menus:

    I decided to go with the suggestion given on the Studio video tutorial and modified one of the existing menus. That worked well and I’ve had no problems getting the Menus to work.

    One important note - When you add the menu to the head of your timeline, don’t worry if it doesn’t seem to be doing anything. It only turns functional AFTER you’ve rendered and burned.

     

    Re Rendering:

    When my project consistently refused to render, no matter how many times I searched for errors or possible causes for the inevitable hang (freeze-up), the solution suggested here was to “cut and paste” the entire project to a new timeline.

    To achieve this, you click on the completed project in the timeline, go up to “Edit,” click on “select all” in the dropdown menu, then RIGHT click anywhere in the now-highlighted project and select “Copy.”

    Now go back up to “file” and click on “New Project.” Your current timeline will close (don’t worry. It’s saved,) and a new blank timeline will open. Left click anywhere in the new timeline, then right click and select “paste.”

    After a terrifying period when you think nothing is happening, your entire project will suddenly appear in the new timeline.

    Save it with a new name, then try rendering again.

    This Workaround has worked for me every time and I’ve had no more problems with rendering.

     

    Re Burning:

    First off ... I used up about 25 blank DVDs before someone suggested using a rewritable DVD. I’d considered using rewritables but thought they might create more problems. Wrong  (at least in my case.) I’ve been using rewritables consistently while I sort out problems, and only switch to standard blank DVDs once I’m satisfied with the “master.”

    Second ... I have yet to successfully burn a DVD with Pinnacle so I took the advice given here and burned with Nero. Here’s the step-by-step to achieving that:

    1)      When your project is finished, “Cut & paste” (as above) into a new timeline, rename the project, then click on the “Make Movie” tab.

    2)      Next, click the “Disc” tab located on the upper left.

    3)      When the “setup options” window pops up, click on “create disc content but don’t burn,” then click “Okay” to close the window.

    4)      Now click on the green “Create Image” button.

    5)      When the “Browse for Folder” window pops up, note WHERE the image folder will be located so you can find the new file after it’s finished.

    6)      Click on “okay,” and Studio will begin to Make the Movie. You can see the progress in the preview window, but be warned ... it takes a LONG time  - as in – many, many hours (I arrange my workflow so I can let Studio render overnight.)

    7)      When Studio is finished, it will tell you the image has been successfully created.

    8)      Now here is where a crucial workaround comes into play that I NEVER would have been able to figure out without help from this Forum.

    a.       To get past the “No Audio” problems you’ll read about elsewhere, download a small FREE program called “IFOEDIT.”   http://www.videohelp.com/tools/IfoEdit

    b.      Unzip IFOEDIT, then open the program.

    c.       Click on the “Open” button (at lower left) then navigate your way to the spot where your just-created disc image is waiting (on my system, that’s in My Documents>Pinnacle Studio>My Disc Images>Project Name.)

    d.      You should see a file named “Video TS.” Double click on that.

    e.      Inside, you’ll see another file named “Video_TS” Double click on that.

    f.        A new window will open with lots on information. Look in the larger, lower box for the first line with the word “Audio.” It will say something like PCM or MPEG in brackets. Look down below for another line with the word “Audio.” If it doesn’t have the SAME audio command (PCM/MPEG/ETC) inside the brackets, you probably won’t have any sound when you play your burned DVD on a DVD player (though it will probably play on your PC.)

    g.       The fix described by the “lifesavers” in this Forum is to change both of these lines to the same audio setting. I was trying – with no success – to rewrite (and by that I mean retype) these commands when I accidentally double-clicked on the line and discovered this opened an “Audio Attributes” window (Oh ... so THAT’S how you do it! ... Duh <g>.)

    h.      Click on “coding mode” then select the audio you want (Dolby AC3 was suggested to me and I’ve had nothing but success with that setting.)

    i.         Click on “Okay” to save the setting.

    j.        Now, look for the second “audio” line and repeat the last few steps, making sure you select the SAME audio setting. Then click “Okay” to close the window.

    k.       Now press the “Save” button at lower left.

    l.         A “Save as” window will pop up with Video_TS selected. Press “Save”

    m.    Now a scary warning window will pop up asking if you want to save it as a .BUP as well ... and if you’re sure you want to overwrite the existing file. The answer is “yes” to both questions, so simply punch “yes” and you’re done.

    However ... IMPORTANT NOTE ... You won’t see any changes in the Audio lines you just changed. It took me a while to realize they don’t change until AFTER you exit. So – to make sure the changes you want have really taken place - simply close IFOEDIT, then re-open and make your way back to the same VIDEO_TS file. The two audio lines should now have the same info in the brackets i.e.: (Dolby AC-3)

    Exit IFOEDIT once again and you’re done.

    You can now burn the file onto a DVD using Nero (or some similar burn program.)

    Note: I wasn’t sure exactly WHAT I was supposed to burn, so here’s the step-by-step I use in NERO 6:

    1)      Under “Copy & Backup,”  click on “Burn Image to Disc.”

    2)      Ignore the “open” window that pops up (just close it.)

    3)      In the “What would you like to burn?” window, click on “DVD-Video Files.”

    4)      When a new window pops up, click on the “Add” button.

    5)      Navigate your way to the “Video TS” file you just created (on my system, that’s in My Documents>Pinnacle Studio>My Disc Images>Project Name) and open it.

    6)      You should now see a bunch of “.BUP,” “IFO,” and “VOB” files. Select ALL of them, then punch the “ADD” Button at lower right, then click “Finished.”

    7)      Now click “Next” at lower right and you’re taken to the “Burn” page.

    There appear to be two schools of thought on how to proceed from here as some folks are having troubles getting their finished DVDs to play on ALL DVD players.

    One suggestion is to slow the burn rate down to 1X or 2X  ... but others warn this could create an overheating problem. As I’m using a Sony rewritable DVD at this point, I use the 2X setting anyway.

    Once you select the “write” speed, punch “Burn” and Nero takes it from there.

    As of this writing, my finished DVD plays on all the PCs I’ve tried and all but one of the DVD Players my friends have used (The DVD “stutters” on that “problem” player. I’m currently working through solutions to that final problem and THINK I have it fixed. I’ll report back once I’m SURE it’s definitely solved.)

    As for Pinnacle Studio itself ...

    As a former professional FILM editor (5 years, including 3 for Canada’s CTV National News,) it’s taken me quite a while to make the switch to digital editing. Creatively, I’ve found Studio to be a wonderful editing program  - an absolute delight to use once you master the basics. However, I’ve been extremely disappointed by the number of apparently inherent technical problems still at large inside the program. I have been frustrated to the point of tears at times – angry to the point of fury - and I completely agree with the observer who noted that for every one of us who fights his/her way through to a successful conclusion there must be hundreds more who simply give up and walk away.

    I also agree with “Stanman” who just wrote of the “no audio” bug:

    >I do not understand why some of the more learned users and contributors to this Forum are not screaming blue murder at this apparent long-time bug since, even though it is random, renders the DVD authoring pat of Studio virtually useless because of its unreliability.  Why has Pinnacle not fixed this?  It is not a minor bug.  It is a major problem and one that could, under common law, be grounds for legal action  forcing Pinnacle to accept returns and refund the whole cost of the program as being unfit for the purpose for which it has been sold.  This is indeed a pretty big matza ball to say the least.<

    Marc P at Pinnacle Support responded by saying:

    >StanMan, this has been brought to our attention and currently being looked and worked at.<

     

    I sincerely hope that is the case, and trust Pinnacle will indeed look after this problem  – not only for this shameful audio problem, but for all the other rendering and burning problems listed above. I think it’s absolutely absurd to be developing new “bells & whistles” for future programs when Pinnacle hasn’t solved basic problems in their current versions.

    I understand the need to compete with other editing programs but SURELY, having a reputation as the most stable and dependable editing software  available would stop the others in their tracks.

    Anyway ... I don’t want to end of a down note, so let me finish up by saying to any other Newbies reading this letter – hang in there ...... watch the online video tutorials ... read the FAQs ... then,  when it seems there is just no way to overcome your problems, search these Forums for solutions because there is an extraordinary amount of support and wisdom available here.

    Finally ... I apologize for this overly long tome, but I kept on praying someone would realize how truly stupid I am <g>, and hold my hand through a step by step process. It’s my hope that some of the above may cut down the time involved in your own learning curve so you can get to that glorious “EUREKA” moment a little faster than me. And please believe me when I tell you - the final product looks glorious and IS worth all the work.

    Thanks once again to everyone in this forum for all your support and help.

    Yours sincerely,

    Glenn Norman, Canada

    PS: To all the pros ... please feel free to correct any mistakes I may have made, or add suggestions I may have missed.

  •  12-29-2007, 16:50 95330 in reply to 95164

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    WOW, Glen, that is definitely a "Save" to my hard disc for all the fantastic detail in it.

     Many thanks for taking all that trouble Smile

  •  12-29-2007, 18:39 95349 in reply to 95164

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    Yup! What Old&Wrinkley said!  Thanks, Glen!
  •  12-29-2007, 21:27 95372 in reply to 95349

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    Ditto !

    Very easy to understand.

  •  12-30-2007, 7:48 95661 in reply to 95372

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    Thanks so much to Stanman, Iain, and Old&Wrinkley (love that name <g>) for the kind words. Glad my compendium of the wisdom of others has helped <g>.

    I’ll add a brief “Addendum” here re Rendering problems. It was such a long battle to get the rendering under control that I forgot to mention a big part of that success was turning off every program I could before I started rendering.

    From what I’ve learned on this Forum, I think it’s safe to assume that some of my problems were caused by background activity in my PC during the rendering process (which takes HOURS, don’t forget.) I’d turned off any programs I knew to be running, but that obviously was not enough. So I then  removed any other editing program on my PC (with the exception of Avid Liquid, an extremely intimidating program which I’m still hoping to learn over this winter,) turned off all my exterior drives, and – most important of all – shut down my Norton anti-virus & firewall protection.

    (Note: As there is more than a little grey in my beard (and I’m beginning to suspect that colour is created from grey matter leaking out of my brain <g>,) I created a “NORTON IS OFF” notice which I stuck on my keyboard any time I made those last changes. You do NOT want to go back online with your anti-virus off!)

    Combining that “everything off” move with the “cut & paste in a new timeline” suggestion (made by my heroes in this Forum) was the “magic combination” that - in my case – finally lead to trouble-free, count-on-it every-time rendering.

    Two final notes:

    1)      I’d better stress here that the solutions I’ve described worked for ME, on my system. I say this because - if they don’t work for you - please remember the more important point I’m trying to make is that you WILL be able to find answers that work for YOU in this Forum. Have a good search first, in case someone has already answered your question (which is more than likely.) But if you can’t find the answer to your specific question, don’t be afraid to ask for help (I’d suggest starting your inquiry with “I’m a Newbie” so the pros here will know how best to help you.)

    2)      Can’t remember Note Two. Must be more of that grey matter slipping into my beard <g>.

    Thanks & cheers till next time,

    Glenn Norman, Cedarville, Canada

    PS: Just noticed that the “kind words” came from “Old&Wrinkley” in Australia, Iain in New Zealand  and my fellow Canadian, Stanman. I was born in England so just HAVE to say – “Thanks for the Commonwealth support guys” <g>.

    PPS: Off topic but  - very briefly ... my partner and I were Exec Story Editors (fancy title meaning “head writers”) on the White Fang TV series that was shot in Queenstown, New Zealand. What a gorgeous country, and what a superb group of filmmakers we worked with. Hope you’re shooting lots of outdoor footage, Iain.

  •  12-30-2007, 16:23 96295 in reply to 95661

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    You're right Glenn, it is a beautiful place and I get as much outdoor time as i can.

    Iain Big Smile

  •  12-30-2007, 22:56 96353 in reply to 95164

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    Glenn - thank you, thank you for your post.  I'd been editing video over the holidays and hit this problem last week - wasted time and discs trying everything.  I gave up and just happened upon your entry today.  Your post got me end-to-end from repairing the audio thru creating a master disc that I can now copy.  Cheers!  Bob

  •  12-31-2007, 15:38 96720 in reply to 96353

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    Hi Bob.

    So glad to hear the post helped. As I mentioned - this is the wisdom of others on this Forum ... I simply did my "Editor Thing" <g> and strung those solutions aids together.

    Re the master disc you're creating ... I'm still sorting through the last problem I'm having - getting my DVDs to play on ALL DVD Players. I'll stick another addendum here once I'm SURE I've got that problem beat, but in the meantime - if you have playability issues of your own - I'll direct you to a tremendous thread which pointed me to a burn setting I'd overlooked.

    http://forums.pinnaclesys.com/forums/2/43255/ShowThread.aspx

    As you'll read, "Towbar" suggests that if you're burning from Nero, when you get to the "Final Burn Settings" page, click on "Options," then change the "Book Type Settings" (in the lower left corner) to "DVD-ROM." 

    { It looks like this:  http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7082/neromn7.jpg   }

    When I tried that, a window popped up saying, "This is the recommended setting for achieving the highest DVD-Video playback compatability." As that's what I'm after, I burned a new Master with this setting and it's working fine on my own DVD Players. Still have to try it on my friend's Player (which wouldn't play the previous version.) I'll report success or failure later this week.

    All the best with your projects.

    Cheers till next time,

    Glenn Norman, Cedarville, Ontario, Canada

     

  •  01-01-2008, 12:43 97050 in reply to 96720

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    Glenn:

    THANK YOU, THANK YOU , THANK YOU. I just started using Studio 11 a couple of months ago and ran into the same problems as you did. As a newbie your step by step summary could not have come at a more perfect time for me. I never give up, but I came close to, many many times. I printed out your summary (I think I will get it laminated) and followed your instructions on the No Audio step by step and EUREKA it fixed my No audio problems. Thank you again for putting this summary together and posting it here.

    Have a great New Year

    David Mills, Fort Myers, Florida

  •  01-02-2008, 6:00 97381 in reply to 97050

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    Hi David. Thanks for the Thank Yous . Glad you're up and ru
  •  01-02-2008, 6:03 97383 in reply to 97050

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    Oops! Don't know what I did up above!

    Anyway ... Thanks for the Thank Yous, David. Glad you're up and running.

    Hope to have the answer to my "play on all DVD players" problem today. Will post once I know.

    Thanks & cheers till next time,

     GN

  •  01-03-2008, 19:51 98470 in reply to 97383

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    Glenn,

    Having grown up in Canada and watched CTV, I am certainly appreciative of your work there too! Excellent post!

  •  01-03-2008, 23:27 98529 in reply to 96720

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    Hi Glenn,

    I took your advice and checked my Nero setting.  I must have a different version as I could not find the dialog included in your post, however after looking around I found that my "Book Type Setting" seemed to be already set to DVD-ROM, and I'm fairly sure I have never set that.  For me, I was making and then throwing away discs that started getting stuck when played on most DVD players until I saw a post about burn speed.  I ran some tests of my burner at different speeds, and found that reducing worked for me.  I have successfully tested it on a variety of old and new players available to me.  I only use +R and stick to printable Verbatim media.

     Cheers, Bob

  •  01-04-2008, 11:07 98873 in reply to 98470

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    Thanks for that, Mark.

    Cheers, GN

  •  01-04-2008, 11:15 98883 in reply to 98529

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    Hi Bob.

    This is my second response to your post. Just getting ready to send the first when I got a "Forum Down" message and lost it.

    Grrrr <g>. Will try again.

    Thanks so much for your post. Now you're helping me (that's how it seems to go on this Forum ... one day you're a Newbie, the next - you're an "expert" <g>.)

    FYI --- I'm using Nero 6. I suspect you have a newer version.

    RE "DVD-ROM" setting - I thought that had solved my problem, but apparently - not. Sigh.

    Re burn speeds ... I read the same suggestions and tried a few ... but I should have kept better records of my tests, so I'm going to go back at that today.

    A few quick questions:

    * If I may ask ... what burn speed do you find gives you the best results?

    * Did you lower the "Video Quality" in Make Disc to 5,000 kb/s or 6,000 kb/s? Or did you leave the setting where it is? (8,500 kbs on mine)

    * Have you had a chance to try one of your "new" DVDs on a Player that glitched with the older version?

    Will let you know how my experiements go.

    Thanks & cheers till next time,

    Glenn Norman, Cedarville, Canada

     

  •  01-04-2008, 23:19 99203 in reply to 98883

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    Hi Glenn,

    In answer to your questions:

    I have a Plextor drive capable of writing DVD+R at 18x, but sadly this just produces discs that stick.  After some research and (too) much trial and error I've found that 8x always works for me.  At least, no "coasters" so far ... knock, knock

    I leave the setting at automatic video quality.  Frankly, I've never tried to change these numbers.

    When I was producing bad discs, it was with FujiFilm +R and +RW discs, and with my new Verbatim +R discs.  I burned the discs at 18x (maximum) for awhile and then began testing downward to 12x - all with same result of "sticking" which got progressively worse toward the end of the disc.  Burning at 8x seemed to resolved the problems.  Before 8x, the discs would stick on both of my players, both of my parents players, and my grandparents player - all different brands and age.

    I had just resolved the burn speed issue when I was blindsided by the no audio problem - for which I reckon you saved me a great deal of further pain.  I am not sure if I have helped you.  Best of luck in your experiementation.

    Cheers, Bob

  •  01-05-2008, 5:10 99290 in reply to 99203

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    Hi Bob.

    Many thanks. I have a box of Verbatim +Rs I haven't tried yet.

    I realize that may not solve my particular problem but, hey - it's worth a try.

    Will burn at 8X and will let you know how it goes.

    Thanks again and cheers till next time,

    Glenn Norman, Cedarville, Canada

  •  01-22-2008, 8:09 107716 in reply to 99290

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    Does the IFOEDIT procedure address only cases where a DVD yields sound on a PC but not on a dedicated DVD player?  Do the VOB files have sound anyway when testing on the PC?

     Lately, I've had a problem with a project that has sound on preview, but produces disk images with no sound whatever.   The VOB files are silent.  Multiple repeat attempts, whether deleting the auxiliary files first or not, make no difference.  Oddly, the project burned a good disc first time around, but the sound disappeared after I made revisions and tried to burn again via "safe mode."

    Using IFOEDIT, checked a good DVD disc (with sound).  The first VTS folder had two distinct audio specifications: PCM and MPEG1.  The second one had Dolby AC3.  I checked a bad DVD (no sound).  It had exactly the same audio specifications.  I tried changing them all to MPEG1, saved the changes, then tried to burn a disc from the image, but achieved no sound.

  •  03-25-2008, 11:35 143869 in reply to 95164