Hi Maybe I'm missing something here but have upgraded my graphics card and Power supply and If anything the rendering is slower can you help or point me what Ive done wrong Thank You

Computer

Win XP  directx 9c

AMD 3.4Ghz  Phenom II x 4 965 processor

4GB RAM

Geforce  9500GT    Upgraded to GTX 570

PSU was 450 Watt now Corsair GS600 Watt

Sorry forgot to say S 14 Ultimate

jorokiry:

Hi Maybe I'm missing something here but have upgraded my graphics card and Power supply and If anything the rendering is slower can you help or point me what Ive done wrong Thank You

Computer

Win XP  directx 9c

AMD 3.4Ghz  Phenom II x 4 965 processor

4GB RAM

Geforce  9500GT    Upgraded to GTX 570

 PSU was 450 Watt now Corsair GS600 Watt

Sorry forgot to say S 14 Ultimate

you don't mention what you're editing -- but I'll assume its AVCHD @ 17mbps

To start -- in my experience PS 14 did a poor job with AVCHD -- PS15 and above does much better.

In any event, you've bought a high end ($350+ ??) gamer quality video card -- which is great for playing games, but of limited value for video editing.

A card in the $100+ range would likely work as well.

Getting an intel I7 CPU / MB would have the greatest impact on your editing experience.

But first try to find a copy of PS15 on ebay (but not the basic version) ...

 

Cheers BARYE Im just editing Mini dv Tapes  Full dv quality cant understand how a gamer graphics card is not good enough to render better than my last card . Can you recommend a GeForce card to render quicker in my system Thank you so much for taking an interest in Helping me

Cheers

if you were editing AVCHD, I would say:

PS primarily uses the CPU to render -- and Intel CPUs perform better than AMD. The i7 is best for video, but many people can edit with i5s for projects that aren't too complex. 

There is a diminishing return for getting a video card much beyond a certain baseline card (a GTX 650 for example) -- since PS does not leverage the GPU except for some EFX.

And the built in graphics power available from a current model Intel system is sufficient for the majority of projects....

But since you're editing tape -- a much less demanding medium -- I think your system (CPU & GPU) ought be powerful enough.

There are likely PS things that colour, Hunt, JJN can help you work through, that can improve your PS performance and speed its rendering. (I  would tell you how to clear the cache, but I'm not at my editing PC).

BTW-- you mentioned that you run XP -- what are your plans for updating your OS ??

The simplest, least expensive fix might be to save all projects, do a clean OS upgrade to Win 7 or 8 -- and then reinstall PS14.

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If you are editing DV, the graphics card will only speed up rendering of GPU calculated effects. The mundane task of rendering the bulk of the video is handled by the CPU.

Is your rendering actually slower now?

 

....... and If anything the rendering is slower ........

I don't know what 'slower' means in relation to the actual rendering speed you are getting.

Have a read of this  http://forums.pinnaclesys.com/forums/thread/490507.aspx

Thanks everybody for your interest when I say slower This is what I done .

I had a small project with wipes and effects and I timed it to render in my old system [old psu and graphics card] and the rendering the green bar took 2.05 changed my psu and graphics card and the same project took approx 2.26 ?.

So reading into this I'm I right in saying the best way to speed up is upgrading my processor    [ what would the next step up be from my system as i7 would be to costly] 

change windows to either 7 or 8 [ again is 8 the way to go ] then upgrade Studio [ again which is stable at moment 16 or 17]

and sticking back in my old graphics card  9500GT

Thanks again

What is your budget for a PC ?? What kinds of projects, and what cameras, are you likely to use it for in the future ?? 

I bought a Dell i5 desktop for a staffer last week running Win 8, w/a 1TB drive, and 8gb of memory for $500 -- that would be more than powerful enough for the stuff you're currently working with.

In any event, its very unlikely that your new hardware slowed things down -- likely the problems originated elsewhere.

But if possible, I'd get a refund on that gamer quality video card and use it toward getting a new system.

 

Hi sorry for late reply have been looking around and was wondering is this faster than my setup

• AMD Athlon II X4 740 3.20 GHz Quad Core Processor
• Radeon HD 6450 1GB Graphics Card
• 4GB RAM
• 1TB Hard Drive
• Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit
  

I would be using it with The Canon XHA1 Cameras but mainly full DV and not HD  and would be faster in rendering and burning

Thank you

 

I think that the OS, power supply and the video card has nothing to do with faster renderings. I only think that the processor is the only one capable of processing your videos (such as i5 up to i7) and maybe a higher RAM such as 4GB or Higher. (Just my thoughts).

jorokiry:

Hi sorry for late reply have been looking around and was wondering is this faster than my setup

• AMD Athlon II X4 740 3.20 GHz Quad Core Processor
• Radeon HD 6450 1GB Graphics Card
• 4GB RAM
• 1TB Hard Drive
• Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-Bit
  

I would be using it with The Canon XHA1 Cameras but mainly full DV and not HD  and would be faster in rendering and burning

 

as I said earlier, HDV is not especially demanding (at least in comparison to AVCHD). As such your current and proposed system might well be sufficient if they were healthy.

But if video editing was why I was buying a computer,  I would definitely NOT buy a PC with the specs you've described.

The clear consensus is that you should get an Intel i7 or i5 CPU based PC. If you decide to get a video card (unneeded to edit HDV with an i7 or i5 based system) go with a card from NVidia (not a Radeon/AMD based GPU).

Much of this was recently discussed in this thread

See my specs below for a standard configuration for an editing PC. 

Also -- Win 7,8 have well documented problems with importing HDV via Firewire (I have this issue). You may well want to keep your old XP based system around (isolated from the internet),  just for HDV importing).

BTW, I also own the Canon XHA1 -- but I rarely use it. But if I finally break down and buy an Atomos Ninja 2, that may well change.

 

Hi, again thanks for your help 1 last question  If I go for i5 or i7 I know I need a motherboard for  these to fit is there something to watch out for when purchasing a motherboard is there good ones and ones to stay away from .Thank You.

Here is a tutorial video on how to build a computer for video editing. There is a list of all parts used in this video. You can just modify the parts you may need to build one or to order one with these hardware. This is just for you to have an idea and  not necesarrily to make or buy one. The video shows you from step one all the way to the complete build.

jorokiry:

Hi, again thanks for your help 1 last question  If I go for i5 or i7 I know I need a motherboard for  these to fit is there something to watch out for when purchasing a motherboard is there good ones and ones to stay away from .Thank You.

unless you want that to be your hobby, I'd suggest you buy a PC from a major OEM -- it'd have warranty support, and in the end be less expensive than what you can build.

My system (below) cost less than $600 18mos ago

And:

Win 7,8 have well documented problems importing HDV via Firewire (I have this issue). You may well want to keep your old XP based system around (isolated from the internet),  just for HDV importing).

 

jorokiry:

I would be using it with The Canon XHA1 cameras, but mainly full DV and not HD ...

Earlier you had mentioned that were shooting DV video in SD (not HDV) with the Canon XHA1.

If thats true, its a rather serious waste of a very capable camera (though I know its DV looks good).

You really ought use it in HDV mode -- the picture quality is quite high and the HDV does not put inordinate demands on a normal computer.

Worse case, you can shoot HDV and export as DV. (that way, higher original quality is available should you want to use it in the future). 

 

Thanks R_Vera and BARYE 

I'm I right in saying I can record 1080i on Mini dv tapes but the chances of dropouts are more likely but there is nothing wrong in doing it this way

and when you say export as dv  do you mean the final burn from Pinnacle [ capture as HDV into Pinnacle ]

Again Thanks for your interest

the XHA1 has an export as SD,  mode.

In VCR/Play  -- go to the menu -- choose:

Signal Setup --

Playback STD -- 

choose:  DV  

this forces an HDV recording to export as DV (SD).

 

Cheers     and Thanks

BTW -- Canon offered (not sure about now) a free cleaning and fix for the XHA1's hand strap (which apparently had a design weakness).