You can't work fast like this. Only if you have days and days in front of you.

I have a storyboard in liquid 6.1 did they take it out in 7?

 

Mike

No but I think no one is using it.

Sverkalo.

 

I have read many of your posts and I know you are a very knowlegable contributor to this forum,  But  Frankly Sverkalo in this case  and with no ill intent I tell you  "You don't  unserstand this interface"  Stb is  for organizing and changing the timeline you can view this before you make the cuts or after  You can view the tttimeline  in the STB in one glance see the whole project. 

You know sometines we get these small clips that can not be seen unless you zoom in, well in the stb you can see everything.

If you would need to go through the whole  timline to  change or reorder clips to do you honestly think that 3 point inserting  would be faster than shuffling,adding or deleting them in the storyboard interface? 

If you have a timelime with many clips and its not working for you?   Would you change clips one by one and  to find what works best?

If you got to add or change clips would you rather scrub the timelime to get to the place or just drag it into place on the STB interface?

Just scrubbing through the timeline and resizing to see what is there  would take more time  even if  you only  put a marker and drag it to the timelime not to mention 3 point editing. Then you would need to go through the timeline various times again, is this  faster?

On this interface i can see the whole timeline and with one glance know what i need to change and do it without scrubbing the timeline. When finnished  before going into compositing i can play the timeline to verify it,  if something is wrong i mark the space on the timeline and this will show up in the storyboard interface so that i can change it (this also works vs a vs. If I have to change commercials would it be faster going through the timeline or would it be faster looking at the STB and just simply deleting the clips and placing the new ones, bo timeleine scrubbing Tell Me?

If there is a newer better process why discard it? 

I know that not all projects need an STB inteface but its a handy tool for many videographers and should be part of next gen

 

Cordialy

Richard

 

STB adds to creativity by expanding your options and decreasing the time you spend working  which mean more time to rethink.

 

 

Because its not a real storyboard interface  its just a utility at most.

richard

Supermeatball:

I have a storyboard in liquid 6.1 did they take it out in 7?

 

Mike

Next Gem will be a NLE not a toy. DVD creation from the timeline I think will be enough for me.

Other opinions may vary. I am editing a full show in less than 2 days with more than 1000 elements on timeline.

I need speed edit and efficiency and this won't help me. And be sure you dont' know how much I can understand by just looking at something.

Liquid has always had a fairly powerful desktop storyboard feature. I would expect that to be continued and improved in the next version. As Jan said NexGen will allow users to accomplish their tasks easier so a I would think a powerful storyboard feature would make sense. I rarely use the storyboard but I can understand why so many editors do. 

 

 

Well I guess that if you are just following a script with little input from yourself just one clip after another all presorted pre given to you to assemble  then a STB would be of little use and the Liquid version of STB could suite you fine.

But for editor/producers/directors that have creative projects where they can show there stuff then a real STB comes in handy by eliminating all the monotonous, repetitive long process out of the way. Giving us time to create.

I can bet any thing that if you had to change your project providing it was the type of project you could alter I would run circles around you before you even started.

 

Sometimes I do project like yours a 30 min broadcast show with lots of elements photos, texts, animation pip because the are mostly commercial shows. In these shows i cut on the timeline just like you and i compose on the timeline then i use the stb to  add the tags, commercial opening and closing and check that all is in the timeline, that all the named clips are on the timeline in the correct order, that all lower thirds are mounted and say the correct thing, that all clips have the same color correction. that all transition are placed... all at one continuous glance. So you see even in run of the mill projects an stb can be useful providing you use it adequately. And yes I do them in less than 2 days.

BTW I don't use speed edit and while its still a new app it is no toy. And for what it does it is much faster and efficient than Liquid or any other NLE, at this moment its  not a full featured  . but new tek is a creative based  company with a name in the industry. just wait a while and you will most  probably have eat your words. 

 

Richard 

 

Can I see a kind f project you are working on?

When I said speed edit I meant quick edit and if you think that Speed Edit can be faster than Liquid I guess you think that Vegas is faster than Liquid right? 

There are many things in vegas that are much faster and better developed than on other nle's including liquid But its not perfect.  However what i like most about Vegas its its proxy file editing wich makes renders so much faster (After the first one) and its ability to render a timelime while you are working on another. This imop beats background rendering anytime

 

As son as  I get sometime i will put a clip so that you can see .

 

Richard 

Nothing beats background rendering when it works like now at 7.2.

Vegas is one of the slowest NLE when it comes to timeline editing, trimming.

I am sure that you want a week or maybe more to make a 2 day Liquid editing, in Vegas.

 

End this discussion here or I wll delete this whole part of the thread. Also, do not change the thread header. It should stay

Features That You Would Like New or Old to be in the NEW NLE

as that is what this thread is about.

nividiot:

 

 

Well I guess that if you are just following a script with little input from yourself just one clip after another all presorted pre given to you to assemble  then a STB would be of little use and the Liquid version of STB could suite you fine.

 

This is very much what i talked about in another thread. People that produce weekly TV shows and such for the same company tend to use only a narrow part of an NLE that is common to the job at hand, but focuses deeply on that narrow part and tend to know it extremely well. Those in smaller operations who are hired for an array of things like weddings, sporting events, music videos,  etc tend to use an NLE from a much wider angle (although they may not focus on one particular area as deeply).

 

On e is routine, the other is not and non routine things take more time, more thought and more tools. Storyboarding fits those on a non routine agenda much better than those who do the same thing every week.

LewS:

End this discussion here or I wll delete this whole part of the thread. Also, do not change the thread header. It should stay

Features That You Would Like New or Old to be in the NEW NLE

as that is what this thread is about.

Sorry, I was still typing when you posted this! (or I didn't see it, one of the two)

Bob,

Very true but  i even in pre sorted projects it has a place. But enough of this it seems to be a controversial subject.  And the moderator does not want any one hassleing over this.

Looking at JPiros video where he talks about the nextgen I kind of don't like what i think i am hearing. He was asked about higher end cameras and his lack of a specific answer to this and other questions gave me a chil, maybe i am reading to much. He did not explain what a vidographer nle is.

I wonder how they define videographer, what they mean  when they refer to videographers. How can they design something if they don't know the end user.

 

I got the imperssion that to them a videographer doesn't use anything over a  Sony Z 7 

 
A Profesional  videographers NLE should have a lot of the same things liquid or any other pro app has, even edl export and high end codecs.  What can they take out of Liquid that would make it good for videographers?

 

I would not be surprised if they changed studio pro name added a few thingy's and  here it is the videographers NLE.


Richard
 

nividiot:

Looking at JPiros video where he talks about the nextgen I kind of don't like what i think i am hearing. He was asked about higher end cameras and his lack of a specific answer to this and other questions gave me a chil, maybe i am reading to much. He did not explain what a vidographer nle is.

 

I hear you, and I believe you and I are on the same wave length. I just tend to avoid talking this way because it's not something that other people are interested in hearing, or thinking about. personally speaking, I think your rather suspicious  thought pattern is on the right track. But hey, it could go the other way too, so I figure why bum out others when the future has yet to be written.

@Richard

I can understand exactly what you're saying - but the storyboard/timeline combination view you show bears out my point somewhat.  What you are showing there is a four track edit which, in Liquid could effectively be on one timeline track.  In this circumstance a storyboard can easily reflect the timeline perfectly - and changes to the storyboard picture sequence could be reflected in the timeline.  At first I thought the demo pic you showed was, in fact, a screen shot from Magix 14 Plus, which is extremely similar,

For such occasions, the storyboard concept as suggested is far better (IMO) than the storyboarding feature currently in Liquid (ie ... dragging clips to the desktop so they 'overlay' each other in the correct sequence). I always thought that was a bit clunky, but as (for me) storyboarding is something you do before you shoot the movie, I never use it anyway .  (As an aside, I now have an Excel program written for me by a friend that allows storyboards to be prepared and printed out for the shoot - adding graphics either on the PC, or drawing the scenes in the appropriate frames afterwards - and a standalone version is also being written.  If anyone is interested, they could email me - the Excel version is 'free' - though its author asks for a donation to his favourite charity if you like it enough ...)

For (effectively) single track timelines, storyboarding can be useful, I have no doubt about that.  But as soon as multiple tracks are in use (and not just AB roll tracks), the storyboard picons start becoming a little irrelevant - and with lots of tracks, the storyboard can be of use only to show the basic 'top line' sequence. If that is useful, so be it.

Magix does go further and tries to storyboard multiple tracks.  However, with one mighty sequence change, you can throw an edit into a complete mess with inordinate ease. Nevertheless, for quickly getting the basic 'single line' structure of a movie together - with transitions and titles and clip effects added - it can be very useful. Once that is done, the compositing can be done on the timelines - but from then on, I think one should forget the storyboard view

 

There are quite a few "professionals" happy with Studio's capabilities, and need little more than a additional video track or two. These guys don't
have the time of desire to spend time learning a more complex (powerful) app.
If Pinnacle gave these people a bit more, they could accomplish the goal of tapping the vast Studio market.
Support for AVCHD AC35.1 and some of the hybird SSD cameras is probably as far as this level justifies.

TVJohn:

There are quite a few "professionals" happy with Studio's capabilities, and need little more than a additional video track or two. These guys don't
have the time of desire to spend time learning a more complex (powerful) app.
If Pinnacle gave these people a bit more, they could accomplish the goal of tapping the vast Studio market.
Support for AVCHD AC35.1 and some of the hybird SSD cameras is probably as far as this level justifies.

I see to them videographers are in the low end market. Good to know  now i will seek elsewhere

 

thanks much 

BobSanders:

nividiot:

Looking at JPiros video where he talks about the nextgen I kind of don't like what i think i am hearing. He was asked about higher end cameras and his lack of a specific answer to this and other questions gave me a chil, maybe i am reading to much. He did not explain what a vidographer nle is.

 

I hear you, and I believe you and I are on the same wave length. I just tend to avoid talking this way because it's not something that other people are interested in hearing, or thinking about. personally speaking, I think your rather suspicious  thought pattern is on the right track. But hey, it could go the other way too, so I figure why bum out others when the future has yet to be written.

The question I asked back when Jan first made these statements at Liquid immersion was 'What is NextGen meant to complete with?'. The answer (although not from Jan) was Premiere, Vegas, Edius, etc. If that is true, then Pinnacle isn't really in the driver's seat concerning hardware support (at least not entirely). I mean, if you come out with a product that doesn't meet the market needs, you won't stay in business very long. Even Liquid supports the latest cameras (with some workflow work-arounds). In order to compete with the likes of Premiere, et al, you will have to either offer me-too features or something so revolutionary that it captures the interest of the market regardless.

salexander:

The question I asked back when Jan first made these statements at Liquid immersion was 'What is NextGen meant to complete with?'. The answer (although not from Jan) was Premiere, Vegas, Edius, etc.

Do you mind telling us who said this?

 

What I heard was that NexGen will not include things like 32bit color, and network rendering which are things that other NLE's are adding on (some already have it) Not sure how useful these things are (I don't use them) but they do serve as kind of measuring devices as to how complete a NLE is. Further more, Avid itself is pushing MC as a direct competitor, at least with FCP

 

If you review that keynote speech, it is clear (to me anyway) that words were chosen very carefully and definite directions clearly avoided. To me, it was simply either not known at the time, or it was known and not being said.

I'm not sure if this was already discussed in this thread, but I would definately like to see Adobe-like licensing with possibility to install single license on both workstation and a laptop (as long as they are not used at the same time). Also, some kind of sensible volume licensing for companies with multiple workstations would be nice (wonder if there is something like this already?).

Here's few other features I'd like to see, probably mentioned before:
- Easily keyframeable (vector) masks
- Background rendering of non-active sequence
- Real alpha channel support
- Lesser need of reinstalling whole software (or whole OS!) on upgrades 

The way things are going I hope nextgen will be built around Nvidia instead of ATI or else we will have problems running MC and Next gen.

I would rather see it compatible with Nvidia AND Ati, or better yet compatible to any video/audio card, or in the best case scenario – hardware independent. If this is possible at all.