The Panasonic Full Hd codec would be good to edit in

 we have dvcpro 25 + 50 so why not 100mbit

then export to h264 there are a lot of buck with quicktime and also compatibility with quicktime formats like final cut hd files etc..

then definetly the support for red cam would be usefull!

Another codec for hd-sdi would be usefull as well!

The New HD-Cam Decks should be supported as well!

Beter workflow with sonys xdcam ex 

I would like NextGen to run on Mac OSX Leopard - this is a 64 bit OS and closed system both of which would have benefits for video editing in terms of accessing ram, multi-tasking (eg running photoshop or after effects etc alongside Next Gen) and stability because of reduced number of graphics cards etc. Next Gen could give FCS a run for its money as all-in-one video production software. If Pinnacle/Avid are recoding from scratch then coding for Intel based Macs should be easier. Adobe can see the value of porting Premiere Pro CS3 to Mac OSX; Media Composer runs on OSX (Up to Tiger); finally, there are fewer competitors on this platform.

HD Output.

My next NLE will have it.

Mine won't.

I'd like to make a plea for the storyboarding feature please.

I know a lot of people never use it and I am afraid that it will get dumped.

It's not useful when constructing a sequence that has an obvious chronology eg an event or presentation and I don't often use it for that.

I do however find it extremely useful when I have a load of shots and a blank canvas.

This isn't a plug for my own work but I enclose this link to a short film about frogs. It's relevant because you could put those shots together in whatever order you want.

I'd find it really difficult to select the appropriate shots and then put them together in the best order if I only had the timeline to work on.

http://www.vimeo.com/745654

So, Pinnacle, please, please, please don't dump the storyboarding tool!

 

I'll second the storyboard feature.... Being able to throw a group of items on the desktop and then play them so to get an idea about clip placement is really a great feature... Allows for an lot of easy 'what if" scenario's.... R.

i would like to see the inclusion of a DV rack styled capture ability and even better Realtime live video mixing that would detect  multiple cameras on different firewire cards, like this:

http://www.avtake.com/cutfour.asp

 The more i read about this i am surprised that none of the major NLE editing programs offer it. But then if more of us bought an aditional camcorder and did more 2 camera live coverage - we would spend less time editing

Randy, the idea of live video switching would be cool, but the price of the software you pointed to is about the same price or more than the price of Liquid....question is then, "how much extra would you want to pay for these features" ?  Someone along the line will have to pay for them....but again, it is a good idea and would be cool.

Mark

DiskTech:

I'll second the storyboard feature.... Being able to throw a group of items on the desktop and then play them so to get an idea about clip placement is really a great feature... Allows for an lot of easy 'what if" scenario's.... R.

I also second the storyboard idea but would whant it  to have more capabilities like automaticaly updating the timeline and not limiting the frames to 4 or five.  i would like to see the whole timeline viewed in a storyboard interface so that i can do and redo any segment i want, i would also like to add or delete any image or effect like commericial and text... to any of the icons in the storyboard interface and have the timeline automatically updated' Also why trim on the timeline when you can click on the icon in the storyboard interface  and have it open in a window where you can trim the head or tail or mayby you can "ctrl enter" various icons in the storyboard interface and have them play just like you can do know in the limited interface avilable.

 I do a lot of sports timlines and the ability to chang around any clip is lot faster in the storyboard interface than using a 3 point insert specially specialy on a long timelime.

 Now I know many here don't like the story board interface because they might think that its amatuerish but belive me its a great tool to have available I

f next gen is being targeted to the vidiogrpher then this is  a must have.

 

richard.

maharvey:

Randy, the idea of live video switching would be cool, but the price of the software you pointed to is about the same price or more than the price of Liquid....question is then, "how much extra would you want to pay for these features" ?  Someone along the line will have to pay for them....but again, it is a good idea and would be cool.

Mark

 

Video switching would be great the only thing out there as far as i know (SOFTWARE ONLY) IS Adobe communicator and Vasa (for internet broadcast)  blackmagic has a 2 camera solution based on its bridge card.

If it just had  the ability for dv/hdv 4 cams, cut dissolve and some simple wipes pip with borders , this would be sufucient then later on other things can be added. like text.effects,vector scopes...... Maybe it can be opened in the next gen time line for finisheing.

 Having the ability to produce live to tape multicam at a good proce can open a lot of posibilities for the independant videographer.

 

Richard

 

Having a vegas style proxy editing can realy speed things up i think this would be better than background rendering

Also the ability to output video to another monitor using hdmi output from  enabled cards and monitors

 

Richard

Could you please be so kind and tell us why you rated this thread?

And if you do why you have rate it with one star? 

What do you want? 

Apparently and  unknowingly clicked them,  whats the problem? Is this site going to blow up?

 

Richard 

I would like background rendering to stay. I hate having to wait while a preview renders. Then again you can look at a poor quality video preview, like in Vegas, with reduced frame rate, pixels etc. unless you have cutting edge technology.

I also second the storyboard idea but would whant it to have more capabilities like automaticaly updating the timeline and not limiting the frames to 4 or five.

And how do you suggest the storyboard would look when several timeline tracks are used with clips staggered - not lined up - on each track?  If  you'd expect to see 'an overall, combined view', then where on the storyboard would the frames start, and what would happen if you tried to trim on the storyboard - what would get trimmed on all the non-synchronous sub-tracks?

Perhaps the Storyboard would have a frame for each slice?  Think that one through and see how it wouldn't work either - as far as making storyboard adjustments (like trimmi8ng) are concerned.

If there is a storyboard view such as you suggest, then I sincerely hope it relates only to the main video track .  I can see a call and a desire for working on the storyboard view:  It can be a very easy and quick way to put together a single track edit.  I suggest you have a look at Magix Movie Editor 14 Pro Plus - it does roughly what you're asking for - the storyboard view allows for transitions, effects and titles to be added and for clips to be trimmed etc, and is pretty efficient too (Magix is very well featured by the way, and costs only around £60). But, even they say for complex edits requiring more timelines, you must switch to the timeline view.

This has been discussed endlessly before.  Its a case of not thinking through exactly what you're asking for and the ramifications when multiple timelines are in use.  Fine for one timeline, or two perhaps at a push, buit after that ...Perhaps you'd be happy to limit this suggestion to single - or at best dual - video track working? If so, I'd support it. But for multiple timelines - I'd be interested to know how you'd implement it!!

NewTek SpeedEdit has a storyboard and timeline view active at the same time and changes to the storyboard are immediately reflected on the timeline. This seems like an interesting editing concept. You can also trim and add effects on the storyboard and they are reflected in the timeline. This is used for laying out the basic story, then you go directly to the timeline to composite, etc.

I have not actually used this to see how this workflow functions but it piqued my curiosity so I asked NewTek to send me a copy of SpeedEdit to play with. It will be here next week so I will be able to comment in depth on this approach in the near future.

I make a living from my work my clients include tv stations and corporate clients so majix would not  do it. 

I am just talking of a tool not the main editing interface which would just be an option to be choosen if needed.

The storboard interface would be used for certain projects  and only on the main track.and before any compositing is done in fact under a well developed storyboard interface i can can

How do I post an image to show what I mean 

 

 

Richard 

gerbow:

I would like background rendering to stay. I hate having to wait while a preview renders. Then again you can look at a poor quality video preview, like in Vegas, with reduced frame rate, pixels etc. unless you have cutting edge technology.

First, you don't have to deal in Vegas with  "reduced frame rate, pixels etc." Vegas is a memory program. If you have the proper dynamic memory set (and the memory to back it up) then all you need to do is play over the area you wish to view and it get loaded into memory (you may have to play through it 2 or 3 times depending on the complication of the section you wish to view) but once it is fully loaded into memory, even the most complicated parts will playback at normal speed.

 

But more to the point of this thread, storyboarding is an extremely powerful option that allows one to see the project from a different angle. People tend to write this sort of thing off as slightly  amateurish since it does not show the detail of a normal time line. But then that's exactly what it was intended for, to get rid of the clutter and see the BASIC overall project. Sometimes when looking at extreme detail, we miss the simplest things. Spielberg uses it, Lucas uses it, and these aren't exactly amateurs. Storyboarding is also used HEAVILY in electronics, engineering, any area where one needs to see an "aerial shot" if you will, of an overall project and its end results.

sverkalo:

Could you please be so kind and tell us why you rated this thread?

And if you do why you have rate it with one star? 

What do you want? 

I never did understand this issue with the stars or the rating, its possible intend in using it as a weapon to snub people, or even the sensitivity some people seem to have with it. But if it causes this much trouble maybe it should simply be disabled through out the entire board. It seems more of an overall nuisance and trouble starter than anything else.

Mike Shaw:

And how do you suggest the storyboard would look when several timeline tracks are used with clips staggered - not lined up - on each track?  If  you'd expect to see 'an overall, combined view', then where on the storyboard would the frames start, and what would happen if you tried to trim on the storyboard - what would get trimmed on all the non-synchronous sub-tracks?

You're looking at this from entirely a wrong angle. Storyboarding is not meant to produce detail, but rather the BASIC story without all the clutter. Storyboarding for example does not show the audio timeline or even its peaks. It is merely a "block diagram" of your project and it's quite possible to install to the NexGen. The US Space shuttle was born on a  story board and I seriously doubt that ANY liquid time line will come to be anywhere NEAR the complexity of the Shuttle.

Your comment: "(you may have to play through it 2 or 3 times depending on the complication of the section you wish to view) but once it is fully loaded into memory, even the most complicated parts will playback at normal speed." is the very reason I love background rendering. IN Liquid: Edit a clip, insert, add effect, next clip etc, return to preview rendered clip while rendering continues "in the background". I never made any comment about or against storyboading which is an essential element of any project from concept through to post-production. If a project is not to complicated you can preview in Vegas - I know because I use Vegas at times (and there are things I like about Vegas, droppin in transitions on the fly is nice for some quick assemblies of clips). However my point was I prefer rendering to take place in the background and let rendering irritate me as little as possible, allowing me to get more editing done. I have tried other editors recently and keep returning to Liquid. I love it! I can do everything I want in one place! Quickly!

All of us WANTS background processing and Instant Save but I have to add the SCALING options for a clip that Liquid has.

I think its the most powerful and at the same time quick way of choosing the aspect ratios of the clips and changing them as you wish.

SCALING must stay. 

What I like about vegas is that it has a system called proxy rendering where one renders once and then after only the changes that are made. 

For example if  after you have rendered a project with effects and color correction and anything else  and then you need or  want to change a transition or anything,  the nle will only render the transition or what ever you did not the whole enchilada, plus you can open a new timeline and work on it while the other is rendering sort of a background rendering on steroids.

So if next gen had this plus the things i have mentioned before avid will have a unique tool for videographers. 

And speaking about videographers I hope avid is not thinking  of only super8,dv.hdv because many of use or will use exd cams up to varicams and those codecs should be supported including hdpro

 

Richard 

What I don't like about Vegas is that its timeline editing is slower than a snail.

So if Pinnacle wants to succeed, one things MUST not take ( I am sure they won't) from Vegas is its timeline. 

In this Image we see the Timeline below and above a storyboard interface.

Now this is just a made up timeline it could have as many picons as there are clips or objects on the timeline of course depending on your timeline length and  monitor the picons will be smaller  or bigger

Each picon is a clip on the main main track, in this case the only track

If you notice between each icon there is a small square, that is for placing transitions

I can change any clip on the timeline by simply dragging or shuffling around  and placing them in the space before any image the time line will ajust

I could delete any clip by just clicking on it and deleting

 I can copy/paste any clip and transition 

 I can add efx to any picon including those with custom settings

I can add text or lower thirds to any or all

Now once i have my timeline i just change the view and do any compositing on the timeline by dragging ,copy/paste  or inserting.

If i want to trim i just doble click on any picon aaand a trimming interface appears.

This type of interface is good for many types of projects specialy when you want images to have a visual beat when combining them with the previous or the  nex.t  this sure beats doing it on the timeline by 3 point editing/slip or slide...

 

Now why can't something like this be included

 

 

Richard