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Last post 11-19-2009, 10:38 by rkane. 7 replies.
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  •  10-27-2009, 13:52 349644

    Samsung AVCHD H.265 support

    You may have seen my previous posts about this.  I just purchased a Samsung HMX-H105 SSD camcorder.  Its recording format is described in the manual as "H.264 (MPEG4 part10/AVC) encoding".  Studio 12.1 and Studio 14 are not able to use the files from the camera. The audio and video are not in sync and the reported frame rate as seen in the clip selector in the edit window is incorrect. Other utilities correctly identify the frame rate.  I have been trying to get help from Avid support, but they are hung up on the hardware specs of my system.  My PC does meet their minimum specs for AVCHD editing, but even if it did not, the clip selector in the edit window should display the correct file properties.

     

    Does anyone have a suggesting on how to get this question through to Avid support?  Thanks.

     

  •  10-29-2009, 10:03 350053 in reply to 349644

    Re: Samsung AVCHD H.265 support

    To reach Avid / Pinnacle Support, the best you can do is find some threads where its representatives have posted recently and send them private messenges.  But they can only forward your observations to QC or something, and may never hear back.

    Employee mpingel is Pinnacle's Dr. Von Braun, so far as AVCHD / h.264 goes.

    This is the sort of thing that a a patch might fix, but require consolidation with other things that such a patch must address.  If you get your observation in the queue, perhaps it will qualify.

    Meanwhile, you might inquire at the Vegas or PD8 forums whether any users own your model and how they edit the video.  PE7 is another product, but tends to be slow on introducing support for new formats.

    Free trial versions of such products are often available, but sometimes only for standard definition.

    I'll concur with pratically any complaint you might have about the weak or ambiguous disclosure the products provide for their format support.  The irony is that some manufacturers implemented the other variants of h.264, precisely because the AVCHD was too dense for some PCs to edit, but are in fact harder to edit because the NLEs don't import them properly.  The disjuncture in sound and motion is a problem.  Sometimes the conflicts don't become apparent until the timeline exceeds a certain length or until the project includes various edit effects.

    Good luck.

  •  10-29-2009, 10:28 350058 in reply to 350053

    Re: Samsung AVCHD H.265 support

    Thanks for the feedback.  I found a workaround,  Cybelink PowerDirector V8.  I already had V6, it came with my Sony Blu-Ray burner.  The upgrade was relatively inexpensive and it handles the Samsung files just fine. It also rendered and burned a 10 minute 1920X1080 Blu Ray project in 10 minutes.

     

    That being said, I hope Pinnacle addresses this . . . .   I am very comfortable using it to build dvd/blu ray projects.

  •  11-02-2009, 5:57 350838 in reply to 350058

    Re: Samsung AVCHD H.265 support

    Well, I finally received an answer . . . . . sort of. Looks like they just copied this answer from the brochure.  Pretty frustrating.

     

    Does Studio 14 support Samsung H.264 (MPEG4 part10/AVC) files?

    Discussion Thread
    Entered By : Laura Berbecel     Entered on : 11/2/2009 3:20 AM
    Dear Mr. XXXXXX

    Studio 14 can import the following video file formats with the allowable extensions for each format noted in parenthesis:

    * AVI File – (.avi)
    * MPEG Files - MPEG-1, MPEG-2 SD & HD, and MPEG-4 - (.mpg, .mpeg, .mod, .mp2, .mp4, .m2ts, .mts, .m1v, m2v. mpv) - HD file import requires Studio Plus or Ultimate Version 11
    * WMV Files – (.wmv)
    * DIVX – (.avi)
    * MOD (JVC Everio cameras) – (.mod)
    * 3GPP Files – (.3gp)
    * AVCHD – (.m2ts, .mts) – Requires Ultimate or Ultimate Collection
    * Note: Studio does not support DVR-MS Files.



    Note: Studio does not work with animated .GIF files.
     
    If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

    We appreciate having you as a Pinnacle customer.
     

    Kind regards
    Avid Pinnacle support

     


     

  •  11-04-2009, 10:23 351461 in reply to 350838

    Re: Samsung AVCHD H.265 support

    A glimmer of hope !!!!!!   Pinnacle support finally asked for some sample files, so hopefully they can test them directly.
  •  11-19-2009, 3:56 355471 in reply to 351461

    Re: Samsung AVCHD H.265 support

    Pinnacle admits there is an issue with how Studio handles and is working on a solution, I hope this does not take too long . . . . .

     

    "We have done some further tests on your video files and on other files created by Samsung HMX camcorders and we found that there is an incompatibility between these camcorders and Studio.

    This issue was already reported to our engineers and they are working on this.

    Meanwhile as a workaround you could try to convert these files to a different format and try to use the converted files.

    We're sorry for this inconvenience.

    Best regards
    Avid Pinnacle support "

  •  11-19-2009, 7:31 355517 in reply to 355471

    Re: Samsung AVCHD H.265 support

    Did you learn if any other products support the Samsung files without prior conversion?  Does Samsung bundle any NLE with the devices?

    I have similar wonderings about the various h.264 files created with the Casio models, whether the ultra-fast 1000 fps small format ones or the 30p and 60p 1920x1080 ones.

  •  11-19-2009, 10:38 355583 in reply to 355517

    Re: Samsung AVCHD H.265 support

    CyberLink PowerDirector V8 works with the native Samsung files just fine.   I am still learning how to use it, some features are "clumsy" compared to Studio.

    Samsung came with a package called Intelli-studio, it has some simple editing capabilities and can convert files to other formats. It looks like it is targeted at creating simple clips, it does not have DVD/Blu Ray authoring capability.  Also, the conversion process is slow, so I'm hoping Avid fixes Studio to work with the files directly.

    There is one other issue that is apparently common to all memory based camcorders. The file size is limited to 1.8GB, which translates into roughly 15 minutes of video at the highest quality level. The camera creates a new file if the file size exceeds 1.8GB, but when these clips are dropped into an editing program the transition between them is noticeable.  I guess there are file joining utilities out there to address this, I have not had a chance to see if they work with the Samsung files yet.

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