Mark P, on the cable, the guy swore that he used a higher end 6/4 pin cable and more than one.  He said it sounded crazy and that people would say he was crazy...but said it worked.

But from what else was said on here, looks like my laptop might not work cause of the integrated motherboard video card thing...I can't remember. :)

It seems crazy to me that you can't download video to a laptop made a year ago though.....I've seen in forums all over the place of people doing it....but maybe not in the higest AVI 13gig for one hour of video format.

I just want to scream.  I didn't have a chance to do the clean boot last night, but I'll get to it this week fo sho.

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ATI Radeon X1200 (ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x791F

Hmmmm........Well, since that GPU is integrated within your Motherboard, irrespective of whatever-else you try, IMO, you're still going to be limited by the fact that S10 requires a separate GPU not integrated within your Motherboard.

Colour, or anyone, is it going to give fits or will it just flat out not work at all?  I had forgot you made a similar comment earlier.  I ordered the cable, but I can always send it back.  This is the most frustrating deal ever.  If the clean boot doesn't work, I'm screwed.  I guess I can see if a friend of mine has a spare graphics card (one better than mine) laying around for my Desktop and see if that works.

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S10 requires a separate GPU not integrated within your Motherboard

No it doesn't.

S10 requires a COMPATIBLE GPU.  If it's integrated with your motherboard, that's file -- as long as it's compatible.  (I have 2 separate laptops that can demonstrate this quite easily).

And you can easily purchase an incompatible "separate GPU".

Now:  Is the "X1200" compatible?  I don't know -- not really sure what an X1200 is (I know what an X1270 is. for certain, because I have some limited experience with it -- but am not sure what an X1200 might be).   But just to make a blanket statement that ALL integrated GPUs are not Studio-compatible is a bit of a broad brush, because SOME most assuredly are.  (And as an aside:  Some are fully Studio-compatible but not Magic Bullet Looks compatible, etc., but that's another story).  So, just wanted to get that out there before someone makes a strange decision based upon information that isn't necessarily correct.

BittMann

bittmann:

S10 requires a separate GPU not integrated within your Motherboard

No it doesn't.

S10 requires a COMPATIBLE GPU.  If it's integrated with your motherboard, that's file -- as long as it's compatible.  (I have 2 separate laptops that can demonstrate this quite easily).

And you can easily purchase an incompatible "separate GPU".

Now:  Is the "X1200" compatible?  I don't know -- not really sure what an X1200 is (I know what an X1270 is. for certain, because I have some limited experience with it -- but am not sure what an X1200 might be).   But just to make a blanket statement that ALL integrated GPUs are not Studio-compatible is a bit of a broad brush, because SOME most assuredly are.  (And as an aside:  Some are fully Studio-compatible but not Magic Bullet Looks compatible, etc., but that's another story).  So, just wanted to get that out there before someone makes a strange decision based upon information that isn't necessarily correct.

BittMann

Thanks for the clarification

Maybe we can call it insufficient? If I've learned anything about video cards and Studio, It's all for responsiveness and preview. You atleast need 256MB of video memory (dedicated) to be able to work with less hair loss. Though some cards are slower even with more Video memory. Things can get tricky at this point. But I'd recommend turning off flashy windows effects to maximize performance. And do more testing, rather than jumping the gun for a new hardware upgrade.

Marc P.:

Maybe we can call it insufficient? If I've learned anything about video cards and Studio, It's all for responsiveness and preview. You atleast need 256MB of video memory (dedicated) to be able to work with less hair loss. Though some cards are slower even with more Video memory. Things can get tricky at this point. But I'd recommend turning off flashy windows effects to maximize performance. And do more testing, rather than jumping the gun for a new hardware upgrade.

Maybe we can call it insufficient?

Yes - Thanks for that Marc. In fact if you had time to read through my 5000 odd Posts , you would find a fair number of Posts re: GPU's which are/were correct. If they were incorrect, I'm sure that they would have been picked-up at the time However I made a mistake in this one Thread & it was picked-up.

The more one Posts,  the more one leaves oneself  open to making errors & therefore criticism from certain others on the Forum. Perhaps a more subtle approach would be appropriate from them, in future,  Thanks.

  

Yah, it's those blanket statements that'll get one in trouble (don't I know!  ).  You remember all of the GPU requirement discussions that we've had since S10 was released, I'm sure...e.g. "what the heck is DirectX 9 compatible anyway?" and all of the surrounding silence by Pinnacle, don't you?  Not exactly a plethora of information, there.

I once positied that the Studio hardware requirements should say something along the lines of "a Studio-compatible GPU with a lot of the right kind of video RAM"...which would at least be CORRECT and unhelpful, as opposed to the currently merely "unhelpful" spec that PRETENDS to give you information, but really doesn't. 

I looked up the X1200, and believe that by spec it should be fully compliant with S10.  Remember the old S10 hardware spec said:

DirectX® 9 or higher compatible graphics card with 64 MB (ATI® Radeon® or NVIDIA® GeForce™ 3 or higher with 128 MB recommended for SD 128 MB required for 720p HD; 256 MB required for 1080i HD)

The X1200 GPU spec shows that it is in the R400 ATI series (in other words, "it's a Radeon"), can address up to 1024MB of video RAM, albeit via Hypermemory (in other words, it has more than 128 -- even more than 256MB of RAM), and is therefore, by the S10 spec, not merely a "compatible" card, but is most definitely a "recommended" card.   Pity that for all that it seems we can't expect this card to work.  

 

@ scoahayn:  As far as capturing:  How well can you capture in Windows Movie Maker (if you have that installed)?  If you can't capture in WMM either, then you don't have a Studio issue -- you'd have a "something else is wrong" issue.

If you don't have WMM installed, or if you want a 3rd opinion, you can also try capturing using "WinDV", a free DV capture app, and see if it acts any differently.  If you can't capture in 3rd-party software, then you can pretty much assume that you have "other issues".

 

I used to be able to capture DV video just fine on a Celeron 300A clocked to an amazing, blazing 450MHz, and while doing so was able to do full-resolution preview (with sound!) on an old integrated 8MB SIS video chipset.  Decidedly bottom-feeder equipment, but then again, it doesn't take a 3GHz CPU to simply capture DV video over Firewire.

 

bittmann:

@ scoahayn:  As far as capturing:  How well can you capture in Windows Movie Maker (if you have that installed)?  If you can't capture in WMM either, then you don't have a Studio issue -- you'd have a "something else is wrong" issue.

If you don't have WMM installed, or if you want a 3rd opinion, you can also try capturing using "WinDV", a free DV capture app, and see if it acts any differently.  If you can't capture in 3rd-party software, then you can pretty much assume that you have "other issues".

Windows Movie Maker failed on the desktop.  So I definately have the "something else is wrong" issue.  I don't think it's Studio.  I thought I could do the clean boot last night, but with the family I didn't have time last night...action packed night.

My eggs are all in the basket of this 4/4pin cord coming in the mail tomorrow cause there's no PCI card for it to run through....I have 4 pin firewire from the factory on my laptop....I feel like a moron for not seeing it earlier, but I got my money back on the failed Firewire PCI card experiment.  Even if I could get the desktop to work, my memory, processor, and graphics card are all dated....the software was manageable when I could get it to work....it crashed from time to time, but I read everyone has that problem. :)  After reading the recent comments on this second page, my hopes/spirits are up.  I know I sound like a broken record, but I appreciate all of you guys.  Will keep everyone posted.

I'm crossing my fingers with you on this one. I'd be pleased to hear about your results.

SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Captured 30 minutes of DV with only 2 dropped frames (that didn't come until after minute 20).  I played the file back with Windows Media Player without issues.

Now running Studio 10.8 for Vista 32 bit.  Took 2 hours to download the 10.6 patch/update.

Finally back on track. Crossing fingers it continues to work.  I'll post back tomorrow or Monday to let you guys know if everything still going well.

Well that's great to hear. I'll continue to cross them fingers.