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Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

Last post 03-27-2020, 7:02 by ljavres. 18 replies.
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  •  02-15-2020, 17:33 795183

    Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    I've just started some 4k video editing from my GoPro Hero 7 in PS23, but the performance in the program is so poor that it's essentially useless.

    I have a reasonable computer - 8 core AMD Ryzen 1700x  @ 3.5GHz, 32 Gb of overclocked RAM at 3200 MHz, an AMD R9 270 with H.264 hardware acceleration, and a terabyte NVME SSD.  

    I've converted all of my video from the GoPro .mp4 internal format to several other 2160p60 alternatives - Pinnacle seems to like the .m4v container best, but all behave the same in the editor.  Preview playback is slow - sometimes stuttering, usually completely unusable.  I cannot move back and forth through any video segment to make edits because the editor simply refuses to refresh the content.  Hitting the preview play button often does nothing for several seconds, and when ti does eventually respond, I may get a couple of seconds of slow playback before it can no longer keep up. 

    In the control panel, I have Quality set to "Fastest Playback", Render while play off, and AMD hardware acceleration.  Nothing seems to help. Anyone having any better luck? 

      

  •  02-15-2020, 17:58 795184 in reply to 795183

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    I have an i9-9900k with no graphics card.  I shoot and edit gopro and Panasonic gh5s 4k footage exclusively.   Ps23 works great.  No stutter.  No delay.  The 4k quicksync encoding in the 9900k makes it render 4k as fast as the i7-6700k used to encode 1080p.  Both overclocked. 

     

    Others can clarify, but I think the amd support only help in export, not rendering, but I could be wrong. It's a relatively new feature.

  •  02-15-2020, 17:59 795185 in reply to 795183

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    I don't get what you are saying. I've edited a lot of 4K UHD video with the same processor and RX480 8GB. I've edited 60/50P  and 25P 4K video from Panasonic cameras.

    I don't know what you are expecting or what things you have done to the video. I've edited 4K with the 1700X for 3 years. 

    What is Optimization set to? 

    You also have to know that editing 4K video is very computer intensive. I don't know where you get the idea that Pinnacle "likes" a certain codec as best, but I don't convert any of the MP4 videos...every. Are you allowing the timeline to render fully if you have Optimization turned all the way up?

  •  02-15-2020, 18:01 795186 in reply to 795185

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    I don't re-encode the gopro or Panasonic 4k 60fps mp4 files before using them in ps.  I have not problem using them.
  •  02-15-2020, 18:05 795188 in reply to 795186

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    Do you have fast ram?  Video editing is very ram intensive. Also, your source files should be on a different drive than the program/render drive.  Drives should be ssd's of course.
  •  02-16-2020, 9:18 795194 in reply to 795186

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    The Hero 7 Black on 4k 60fps encodes in HEVC, which I can play back on my system with any other video software - VLC for example can play these videos, but Pinnacle cannot - I get audio only, no preview from the thumbnail and no video display at all.  

    So I used Handbrake to convert to H.264. Handbrake allows you to use a Matroska (.mkv) or MP4 container (.m4v, .mp4) for the resultant file.  It seems that Pinnacle prefers the MP4 - for instance, it properly displays a thumbnail in the collection editor for .mp4, but not for .mkv files).  

    I believe I undestand now what is happening.  I was attempting to edit some very large video files, with the intent of doing major edits and trimming out much of the unwanted content.  Working with smaller files, I have discovered that before Pinnacle can properly play back a clip in the editor, it must first do some background processing.  Drag a clip onto the timeline, and you can watch the bar over the clip move from orange to green.  Once the clip has been completely pre-processed, then you can drag the scrubber back and forth, edit, and preview smoothly.

    The problem is this pre-processing takes an extraordinarily long time on a large file.   It looks like my workflow is going to become "load file at night before bed", edit the next day.  And yes, my hardware is up to the task.  

  •  02-16-2020, 10:04 795196 in reply to 795194

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    What if you disable background rendering ? Is playback/editing smooth enough without it ?
  •  02-16-2020, 10:53 795199 in reply to 795194

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    Hmmm... I played HEVC files with that same processor that you currently are using. The HEVC files were created within Pinnacle.

    Is there a way to upload a short sample of your footage so I can test it?

    As for working with the highly compressed HEVC files requires a beast of a computer. I remember the Samsung NX1, a camera way better than anything else out there. The only problem was, the video was HEVC and no computer could edit it natively.

  •  02-16-2020, 11:37 795200 in reply to 795199

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    I can play and edit the hvec files no problem.  If you have windows 10, you have to download the feature from the windows store.
  •  02-16-2020, 12:16 795202 in reply to 795200

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    Thanks for waking up my only functioning brain cell! Yes, you need to add this to a Win10 machine. You can get if free from M$ HERE.
  •  02-16-2020, 12:34 795204 in reply to 795202

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    I doubt that it's your only brain cell...... 
  •  02-16-2020, 13:25 795205 in reply to 795204

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    Can I do my once in a while grumble that HEVC photos are still not supported in PS23. Even weirder if HEVC video is.

    Grumble done.

    Andy 

  •  02-16-2020, 13:26 795206 in reply to 795200

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    Great, downloading the HEVC video extensions was the difference between requiring a transcode and not.  Odd you don't get any hits on this when you google editing 4k or HEVC on Pinnacle.  

    Now I load a 4Gb 7 minute clip for edits and it takes about 10 minutes to background render for edits.  So this falls into the acceptable category given the size of the files I'm working with. 

     

    Thanks to all.   

  •  02-16-2020, 13:29 795207 in reply to 795205

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    plattyaj:

    Can I do my once in a while grumble that HEVC photos are still not supported in PS23. Even weirder if HEVC video is.

    Grumble done.

    Andy 

    It's not HEVC photos, but HEIC that are not supported. Not the same.

  •  02-16-2020, 13:48 795208 in reply to 795204

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    acsscott:
    I doubt that it's your only brain cell...... 

    Thanks...but it feels like it a lot. Wink

    Glad that the user can now view HEVC! 

  •  02-16-2020, 15:08 795215 in reply to 795208

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    Tony,  I'm right there with ya
  •  03-26-2020, 17:59 796830 in reply to 795208

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    Tony, with your new system the 4k rendering is almost instantly or you have to wait a lot?

    Thank you.

  •  03-26-2020, 19:22 796831 in reply to 796830

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    Nothing renders almost instantly. It all depends on what you do with the clips on the timeline. I usually work in UHD 4K 50P  and 1080HD 50P. The biggest improvement in exporting has been the inclusion now of AMD GPU in Hardware Acceleration. Before, I was dependent on the CPU doing everything.

    A comparison between Hardware Acceleration AMD GPU, Intel, CUDA, and NONE on a 3:11 1080 50P video. Nothing else done to it. Export Same As Timeline.

    AMD: 1:24            .
    CPU 12%    GPU 100%

    NONE: 2:35
    CPU 45%    GPU 6%

    INTEL: 3:19
    CPU 41%    GPU 5%

    CUDA:  3:21
    CPU 40%    GPU 5%

    -------------------------------------------------------

    UHD 4K 50P 1:10 clip nothing done to it, Optimization Threshold set to 0 (zero), Rendered Files delete, Same As Timeline Peak Bitrate 139MBit/s

    HARDWARE ACCELERATION

    AMD GPU: 2:00

    CPU    13%     GPU  99-100%

    NONE:  3:39

    CPU    52%      GPU  3%

    --------------------------------------------------------

    Same file exported as HEVC (H265) Peak Bitrate 28MBit/s

    AMD GPU: 1:23

    CPU    23%       GPU   40%

    NONE:  1:16

    CPU     70%      GPU  36%

    I will retest tomorrow. It's past midnight here. If nothing changes, I'll leave this as it is.

     

     

  •  03-27-2020, 7:02 796839 in reply to 796831

    Re: Pinnacle Studio 23 4k video editing far too slow

    I think this is related to this issue. It is not only about speed, but about behavior. I love the new features in PS23U. Especially when doing animations.

    Problem:

    My project is about using Osmo pocket and Insta360 One X mounted on a bike. In PS23U they are synched over each other and the movie will be trimmed from one hour to about fifteen minutes. The clips are first cut in Osmo pocket 5 minutes slices and all is rendered. Insta360 One X has originally 30 minute slices and the movie is the exported .mp4 file from Insta360 tool. 

    In PS 23U when I trim one clip and all clips are moved on the timeline, PS23U starts to re-render the whole timeline, which makes it impossible to work. I could select the option overwrite mode and I will have gaps but no re-rendering.

    I found out that with PS21U only the trimmed clip will re-render and not the whole timeline, which saves my day.

    I have done several projects with PS23U containing short clips from GoPro, Osmo pocket, Insta360 One X, Sony AX 53, stills, animations (CineForm), masks etc. in the same project, almost without any problem. I do not count some small crashes, because they do not steal time and I do not loose work done.

    I have Quality set to Balanced. Playback opt set to 100, Hardw Acc to CUDA. Same for PS21U and PS23U.

    Anyone who could explain this new "feature" in PS23U which is not in PS21U?   

    //BR  

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