No offence taken in any way. I was just wondering if the uptake for S14 was as good as previous options

I am very dissapointed as many others regarding the lack of Smartsound options in S14. For me, I need that function to be available as I too have spent many pounds on SS. I have also spent many pounds on Pinnacle add-ons that are now not usable in S12 and I think enough is enough. It should be possible to update without losing out on previous purchases.

S12 is now as far as go due to the lack of continuity.....

 

Thank you Pinshel. I will give it a try.

Here's to hoping that Smartsound and Pinnacle work something out. I too have a nice investment in Smartsound music, including Quicktracks and the Multilayer disks. In every video that I make, I use some of the Smartsound music. It would be much easier if it were integrated into Studio as before.

Yes, I ordered the DVD of S14. I like the way it imports from my file based camcorder, the explorer browser and a few other features that will make keeping track of your files easier. But, no Smartsound (and yes, I have SFP v5.x) makes things a little more "difficult". One of the most requested features for S12 was Smartsound integration. You would think that this would also apply to S14 (along with more audio/video tracks and some other stuff). But, I would guess to say that Pinnacle will have a more "upscale, prosumer" product in the near future that hopefully, will address these requests. 

Well here's five more sales that Pinnacle won't be making as we use it on all our systems, without Smartsound it's a no brainer. We may buy 1 package just to see if there are any advantages but not until the first patch is out.

Ian

Ahhh.. the first patch.... I beta'ed the  12.1 patch, it fixed a few of the problems that I was having with S12. Hoping to not have many problems with S14 arrives. I still have S12 and Liquid which have Smartsound support.

Too bad Pinnacle never did anything with Scorefitter. 

Actually, nothing has changed with S14U.  It's the same as S12 and earlier versions; its a NLE video editing program.  Smartsounds is integrated into various other NLEs.  As such, Smartsounds could be used with S14U.  So, the problem comes down to a disagreement between Pinnacle (Avid) and Smartsounds... $money.  Smartsounds wants $X and Pinnacle will pay $X.  It amounts to a disageement between the owner and the buyer.  Yes, Smartsounds does sell to professional quality NLE systems, but must realize that Pinnacle Studio is NOT a professional system; thus, they should sell the system for less.... because Studio costs the consumer MUCH less.  Surely, you two can come to an agreement, or compromise.

THINK ABOUT IT, SELLER AND BUYER.

 

One thing to watch out for ... I foolishly opened a couple of my completed S12 projects with generated SmartSound in S14 (and saved them I guess). The SS doesn't play in S14 and now I can't open the project in S12. Of course, I have the HD rendered output from the projects, but if I need to re-edit anything, I have a problem.

B

 

I foolishly opened a couple of my completed S12 projects with generated SmartSound in S14 (and saved them I guess). The SS doesn't play in S14 and now I can't open the project in S12.

When the project was converted to S14, a backup of the S12 project should have been created.  Have you looked at your project folder to see if the backup exists?  I forget what the naming convention is and I'm not at my editing computer right now to check.

Now I feel foolish again. I hadn't even bothered to look in the folder and was just using the "recent projects" link to try to re-open them.

I guess feeling foolish is better than having to rebuild the project 

B

The strange thing is that AVID are still providing Smart Sound with Media Composer 4.

Have a look at what's in the Box.

 

wires:

The strange thing is that AVID are still providing Smart Sound with Media Composer 4.

Have a look at what's in the Box.

I wonder if it's integrated at all (like a plug-in).  It mentions some advanced Sonicfire Pro features.  Maybe they include it as a separate stand-alone application.   

justaviking:

wires:

The strange thing is that AVID are still providing Smart Sound with Media Composer 4.

Have a look at what's in the Box.

I wonder if it's integrated at all (like a plug-in).  It mentions some advanced Sonicfire Pro features.  Maybe they include it as a separate stand-alone application.   

Media Composer has Sonicfire Pro 5 built-in as a plug-in.  It will play all Quicktracks as well as the MoodMapping music from SmartSound (from the timeline).  Liquid has Quicktracks built into it (like Studio), but Liquid comes with a library of 44,000 sound styles and tempos, compared to Studio's 22,000.

Well it seems as though we are unlikely to hear anything further from either Avid or Smartsound on this issue.

It is astonishing to me that these two companies cannot resolve their differences. Studio users have been buying Smartsound discs for years and many have amassed a sizable library of titles, the value of which far exceeds Studio and in some cases Liquid or even Media Composer. Users have stuck with Studio because of it's brilliant interface that allowed you to very intuitively "get the job done" in good time with enough sophisticated plugins such as colour correction to improve quality. Married to this is the seemless integration of Smartsound into the timeline. The two together are what makes Studio the best selling package it has become, despite some earlier issues with V10 most stuck withi it. Now, for whatever reason of which I care not, these two superb products are getting a divorce or at least seperating. Ultimately how does either company think it is going to profit from this debacle?

Avid will lose sales of Pinnacle Studio 14 because users with even a small collection of Smartsound discs cannot afford to just bin them, and in any case Avid are offering no alternative yet.

Smartsound will lose sales whilst ex-Pinnacle users decide which platform they should migrate across to or decide how long they should wait before this situation is resolved.

Neither company will gain anything and neither will the customers, in fact we are all losers.

I will be sending this message to those at the top in both Avid and Smartsound shortly, previously they both gave us a good hearing and the proposed dropping of Smartsound in a Studio 12 patch was axed - hopefully someone will think again - soon.

Ian

Just wondering of what the sales figures are for the "upgrade". That would mean that probably most of the owners of the earlier versions of Studio have and are using Smartsound, and can give Avid and Smartsound some sort of indicator of how many people out there might be interested in having Smartsound with S14.  Hey, I'll pay for a plug in.

As an after thought.... S14 Ultimate does not have as part of any package Vitascene. Another program that I have used. Guess they too couldn't come to a financial agreement.

I've purchased every Studio program from Stu.8 to Stu.12. I will not buy any more without Smartsound. I would have purchased Stu.14 if it was still there.

12 works fine for me. No reason to up-grade.

Timeless Moments:

Smartsound will lose sales whilst ex-Pinnacle users decide which platform they should migrate across to or decide how long they should wait before this situation is resolved.

Neither company will gain anything and neither will the customers, in fact we are all losers.

Ian

 This sounds like the discussions way back in the dim past when Premiere 6 (came with the DV500) had Quicktracks built in and was replaced first by Pinnacle Edition and then by Liquid 6.  We lost Quicktracks with that change and to use my library I had to revert to Premiere to use my disks and then import them into Edition.  Then finally in Liquid 7 we had Quicktracks back, complete with more available music variations than we ever had in Premiere.

Maybe the same will happen with a future version of Studio (S 15?) if Pinnacle sees that the current Scorefitter is not doing what the customers (we, the editors) want in music creation.  I always like to be optimistic.

strawberrybob:

I've purchased every Studio program from Stu.8 to Stu.12.

Same here ... except for v10. 

strawberrybob:

 

I will not buy any more without Smartsound. I would have purchased Stu.14 if it was still there.  12 works fine for me. No reason to up-grade.

Same here.  No SmartSound = no upgrade.

shroyro:

strawberrybob:

I've purchased every Studio program from Stu.8 to Stu.12.

Same here ... except for v10. 

strawberrybob:

 

I will not buy any more without Smartsound. I would have purchased Stu.14 if it was still there.  12 works fine for me. No reason to up-grade.

Same here.  No SmartSound = no upgrade.

 

AVID ARE YOU LISTENING?

Tony P:

S14 Ultimate does not have as part of any package Vitascene.

I have just had a quick check on my S14 and I have the Vitascene filters available within the ProDad options - cannot remember what I did, but they are there.

I purchased EVERY studio version from 200 thru and including 14 (full versions).  I was most interested in Trapcode Particular but am disappointed in it's lack of features. I'am glad we can keep both Studio12 and Studio14 on the same machine at the same time.

How many users would pay for a Plug-In to be able to use SmartSounds with Studio 14 ?

I would if it was priced sensibily and became available soon.

My definition of Sensibily is under 50.00 USD / 30.00 UKP / 35.00 EUR and soon is before 31st March 2010.

Paul W. H 

  

 

I would be willing to pay for a plug-in because, quite frankly, I am not all that impressed with Scorefitter. Something else I noticed...Studio has always had a problem with the 'remove auxilliary files' command..it never seems to work. Due to the great help of the people on the forum however, we know how to navigate to the files and remove them. If they are not removed , nasty things happen. It used to only affect audio files that had been placed on the timeline. It seems now, with S14U, the tracks are 'saved' if you just preview the songs with Scorefitter. This never happened with Smartsound. Since my wife frequently looks over my shoulder when I am creating my epics and as frequently says , "I don't like the music", this becomes a problem. If nothing else Avid, could you please do something about this ?

I suspect this is a dead issue. The real question you should be asking is whether the replacement product will be supporting Smartsounds. I would anticipate that it will.

TVJohn:

I suspect this is a dead issue. The real question you should be asking is whether the replacement product will be supporting Smartsounds. I would anticipate that it will.

 

I disagree, just look at the interest this thread is picking up as did the previous battle (which we won) with S12.1. What replacement product?

 

Ian

Me too.  I've been a loyal customer of P. Studio, V. 7 thru 14...... and I think that my loyalty justifies the inclusion of Smartsounds as a plugin for S14U.  I, certainly, don't want to waste (or give-away) all the Smartsounds that I have purchased over the years.  NO.  I don't deserve that.  Pinnacle should make the wrong, RIGHT.  Nothing else is acceptable to me.

I use Smartsounds when appropriate.... especially Cinematic Excellence and Sound Palette 5, Logos and Stingers.  There is no substitute for my SS collection. 

Sammy:

My Smartsounds collection cost me about $300 and are as follows:

1. Cinematic Excellence
2. Sentimental
3. Vacation, Movie Music
4. Sound Palette 5, Logos & Stingers
5. 1 or 2 more that I can't locate, right now

I wish that I could use them in S14 Ultimate Collection.  If not, its a heck-of-a-waste.  Geeezzzzzz !!!! 

 Shame on Pinnacle and Smartsounds producer.