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Last post 11-19-2009, 10:03 by LewS. 44 replies.
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  •  09-22-2009, 17:09 340089 in reply to 340009

    Re: Next gen Here??

    The other fix? Swapping and renaming the 'dll's?
  •  09-22-2009, 18:29 340101 in reply to 340089

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    Hey guys,  I'm a bit embarrassed but the file is actually a .sys rather than a .dll.

     Problem is the same. 

    Dave...  I tried a rename on the old file but cannot locate a corresponding windows asapi file.  Actually the asapi64.sys file resides in the Windows 7 /WOW64 directory.

    Anyway, I've renamed the file and I'm goring to see how it fares in the DVD mode without it.

     Back in a few with the results.

    Later,

    Andy

  •  09-22-2009, 19:16 340108 in reply to 340101

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    I renamed the original file, started LE and attempted to write DVD, twice in a row, and crashed the system twice in a row.  Each time prior to crash, the system found a replacement for the original ASAPI64.SYS file, installed it, and attempted to function prior to crashing.  Don't know where it was getting it from because according to a search of the system, the file simply does not exist... nada ... anywhere, yet it keeps popping back up.  How do it know?  and how does it do that?

    Andy

  •  09-23-2009, 1:01 340149 in reply to 340108

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    with every new version of Windows, the mechanism that protects critical system files gets more robust: it detects any "abnormal" change in such files and automagically restores the "proper" version. Circumventing this is becoming harder and harder at each W generation...bye-bye MS-DOS & Windows 3.1 Stick out tongue

     

  •  09-23-2009, 15:33 340406 in reply to 340149

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    In the course of gettng Liquid to work in Vista 64, I found there was a way to solve this - but you need another system file already available and listed in the "LowerFilters" list.

    Run "regedit.exe" from the "Run ..." line in the Windows Start menu.

    In the regedit menu, click Find, and enter "Lowerfilters" (all one word). This should take you to an entry that includes LowerFilters, Upperfilters and some other stuff related to CD Rom drives. Double click on the Lowerfilters entry and see how many entries there are. Mine looked like this:

    Afc
    ASAPI64
    PxHlpa64

    If there is more than one entry, delete the ASPI64 entry - it doesn't matter what you try to do with this file, it is incompatible with Windows Vista and Windows 7, you cannot use it - but Windows needs something to replace it. After deleting that entry my system looks like this:

    Afc
    PxHlpa64

    Click ok and close the regedit, then reboot.

    If you only have the ASPI64 entry, you need to install some other program that adds its own compatible driver (I believe that if you install Nero, for example, you would see a new entry here)

    Mileage may vary - but this has been working for me.

  •  11-03-2009, 23:37 351365 in reply to 340406

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    It seems to me that more work is being done on product development here than in Germany.  The paucity of information - mainly confined (as Drake's remark in this thread) to what Next Gen isn't rather than when it is and when it can be expected - is doing Avid/Pinnacle absolutely no good at all.  Liquid is now the least developed of the mainline apps and it's hardly surprising that at trade events apps like Edius and Vegas are getting the exposure, the reviews and the sales.

    If Pinnacle really intends to replace Liquid (and I'm beginning to doubt whether they actually intend to at all) then they need to make some interim announcement.  If they don't, the cost of establishing NextGen in the marketplace is going to be huge.

    I'm on record as expressing my satisfaction with Liquid as an editing app but I rely on other apps to author DVDs and Blu-ray.  In my view, until Microsoft stops supporting XP (the declared OS for Liquid) there's no overwhelming reason to have one program that does the lot - and far better to leave that market to giants like Adobe and concentrate on making the best, fastest and most reliable video editing program possible.

    My bottom line is this; if I'd known NextGen was so far behind I'd have taken up the offer to upgrade to MC - it's as simple as that.

  •  11-04-2009, 0:59 351375 in reply to 351365

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    If I read this thread exectly as it is written down, then I hope that my XP system will last for a very long time.

    If not, then I have to buy a new system with Windows 7 and a new Video Editor aswell.

    That is not a fine look into the near future.

  •  11-04-2009, 17:02 351567 in reply to 351375

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    Sef:

    If I read this thread exectly as it is written down, then I hope that my XP system will last for a very long time.

    If not, then I have to buy a new system with Windows 7 and a new Video Editor aswell.

    That is not a fine look into the near future.

    I installed Windows 7 pro on another drive and so far I REALLY LIKE IT.

  •  11-09-2009, 12:55 352720 in reply to 351567

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    I see that Windows 7 Pro and ultimate are offering a Windows XP Mode. You need to download it.

    Is someone with Windows 7 can try it and report if Liquid is running properly in this mode?

     

  •  11-10-2009, 11:08 352946 in reply to 351365

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    I have stated before that I didn't foresee nextgen hitting the market before Win 7.  The only thing I forgot to mention is, until Win 7 hits the market and is fully tested with nextgen.  I'm sure that this will take some time, if it ever comes to be, and in the mean time, Liquid is still getting the job done for me.  If there was something out there that was setting the world on fire, I'm sure we would be hearing about it.  'Till then, I'll keep on plugging away with Liquid, Studio and a few little helpers.
  •  11-10-2009, 14:50 352997 in reply to 352946

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    I'm facing a dilemma:

    what new laptop should I buy today that would run AL 7.2 on Win7 (XP compatibility mode) and nextgen when it comes ? I know the requirements for AL (ATI GPU preferably), but what about hardware requirements for Nextgen ???

    Or should I just wait another year, to get Win7 SP1 & hopefully Nextgen on a matching platform ?

  •  11-10-2009, 16:21 353009 in reply to 352997

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    what new laptop should I buy today that would run AL 7.2 on Win7 (XP compatibility mode) and nextgen when it comes ? I know the requirements for AL (ATI GPU preferably), but what about hardware requirements for Nextgen ???

    I am facing the same dilemma.  I have decided to wait until I choose what software to go with or a change in business would require one.  In this business, things change so quickly, it might be alright to get one now that runs Liquid and by the time you are ready to change, there will be a whole new generation from.which to choose.  You would always have the original with Liquid for backup.  Who knows?

  •  11-10-2009, 16:38 353011 in reply to 353009

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    Win 7 is already at "sp1" stability. If I was purchasing a laptop today, I'd be Win 7 64 pro. (Yes, BOB won't work)

    If Avid does not come through , there are alternatives that will.

  •  11-10-2009, 16:58 353014 in reply to 353011

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    I agree with TVJohn.  Get the latest technology such as Win 7 (64 bit), quad core (or more) CPU, lots of fast memory (at least 4 GB of DDR2) and a large, fast hard drive.  Whatever and whenever NextGen will be, it will have to run on multiple cores, use lots of memory and run on a 64 bit operating system.  Otherwise it will be left in the dust before coming out of the gate.

    My personal prediction, worth the usual $0.02 Smile

  •  11-11-2009, 6:53 353147 in reply to 338121

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    VE7AXO:

    LewS:
    Releases of an existing product and creating an entirely new product from scratch (new code, new interface, new features, etc.) are two very different things. I don't think it is vaporware.

    My current Liquid 7.2 does everything that I need for the near future and I for one am happy to wait and see what "NextGen" brings when it shows its head next year.  I don't need to speculate and I do trust Lew's statement that it definitely is NOT vapourware.

    This NextGen speculation (positive or negative) is fast becoming tiresome to read with no new input possible until some announcement is made by Avid.  I suggest that we switch our discussions to more interesting and useful topics.

    AL7.2 does everything I need it to, too, and even if NextGen had been released on time last year, I wouldn't have upgraded unless there was some really good reason. Come the day that I want to do more that AL7.2 allows (e.g. I need to work with AVCHD footage) I'll see what's on the market that's reliable (has had at least one major update, for example). If NextGen's not there or thereabouts, I'll buy something else instead. Chances are, NextGen will be as different from what I'm used to as any of the opposition, anyway.

    If I was in that position today, I'd probably go for Edius because it works well on XP (so no need to upgrade a perfectly good PC), the wavelet-based intermediate codec is supposed to be very good quality and Vegas 9 is still giving trouble.

  •  11-15-2009, 21:20 354424 in reply to 353147

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    steamage:
    VE7AXO:

    LewS:
    Releases of an existing product and creating an entirely new product from scratch (new code, new interface, new features, etc.) are two very different things. I don't think it is vaporware.

    My current Liquid 7.2 does everything that I need for the near future and I for one am happy to wait and see what "NextGen" brings when it shows its head next year.  I don't need to speculate and I do trust Lew's statement that it definitely is NOT vapourware.

    This NextGen speculation (positive or negative) is fast becoming tiresome to read with no new input possible until some announcement is made by Avid.  I suggest that we switch our discussions to more interesting and useful topics.

    AL7.2 does everything I need it to, too, and even if NextGen had been released on time last year, I wouldn't have upgraded unless there was some really good reason. Come the day that I want to do more that AL7.2 allows (e.g. I need to work with AVCHD footage) I'll see what's on the market that's reliable (has had at least one major update, for example). If NextGen's not there or thereabouts, I'll buy something else instead. Chances are, NextGen will be as different from what I'm used to as any of the opposition, anyway.

    If I was in that position today, I'd probably go for Edius because it works well on XP (so no need to upgrade a perfectly good PC), the wavelet-based intermediate codec is supposed to be very good quality and Vegas 9 is still giving trouble.

    Unfortunately, Avid has not placed enough resources to develop this product to keep up with the market.  It has been what... two years?  Still no tangible evidence of "nextgen".  I do wish them luck.  I admire their ambition to develop a new product from scratch.  I'm just afraid that even if they do come up with something good, that it may not be able to keep up with the market.  If Avid cannot place enough resource to develop the product quickly enough from the start, how much will they be willing to put into it to keep it up do date?  Liquid was the best product I have ever seen in the prosumer space.  It is so unfortunate it was placed in the hands of a company that is not interested in making that market a priority.

    Rod

  •  11-17-2009, 4:52 354789 in reply to 354424

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    Unfortunately, Avid has not placed enough resources to develop this product to keep up with the market.  It has been what... two years?  Still no tangible evidence of "nextgen".  I do wish them luck.  I admire their ambition to develop a new product from scratch.  I'm just afraid that even if they do come up with something good, that it may not be able to keep up with the market.  If Avid cannot place enough resource to develop the product quickly enough from the start, how much will they be willing to put into it to keep it up do date?  Liquid was the best product I have ever seen in the prosumer space.  It is so unfortunate it was placed in the hands of a company that is not interested in making that market a priority.

    If you think developing a new piece of software as complex as a video editing suite is not a huge undertaking, just look at Microsoft, with all their resources, and the problems they have.  If Avid put out a product with as many problems (and I think they did with the original Liquid 7), they could be out of business in no time.  Microsoft has no competition in the PC market (to speak of anyway) and you have to have a software operating system to run a PC, but you don't need video editing software unless you want to edit video.  Just a thought or MHO.

  •  11-17-2009, 10:27 354891 in reply to 354789

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    I agree.

    You said things that we are saying for almost  two years. No-one can make me believe in a real effort to come up with something when a lot of key-players were sent away, or, they resigned from the team themselves. 

    Even when they ware busy to produce a complete new NLE, then it would not take two years to come up with something. A lot of functional programming is already available. One can concentrate on new OS's and new video formats, but the base is already there.

    And, I never asked for a new interface. Doing the job is what I want to do, not wondering how beautiful the screen looks like...

     

  •  11-19-2009, 9:29 355565 in reply to 352997

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    Is the preference for an ATI GPU (instead of nvidia) still a relevant issue when choosing a new laptop ?

    Or has the design/perf of modern GPUs changed so dramatically since AL 7.2 was released that it is no longer relevant ?

  •  11-19-2009, 10:03 355573 in reply to 355565

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    nVidia cards work just fine with Liquid now. I am using one (because MC prefers nVidia).
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