I am not going to teach you how to edit in dvdit pro hd, there are others doing this, link is here. 

 

1.   The simple and fast way, you could compare it with creating dvd discs directly out from Liquid.

Work in standard hd, export the timeline as a fuse, import the m2v and the wav file into dvdit pro hd, the 25 mbps videofile will be reencoded to a new 25 mbps videofile of the same type.

 

2.   The uncompressed way, when you have made colourcorrections and wants them to render as hd uncompressed.

 After rendering as uncompressed hd, export your project as a 25 mbps mpg file and use the workflow in 1

OR

export as a 85 mbps hd mjpeg avi file using the mjpeg decoder in liquid, you will need to create your own preset in the export - avi set as 1920 x 1080 interlaced and highest quality

or export as a 185 ( 220 for ntsc, more frames per sec ) mbps movfile using the DnxHd codec

both those files are able to handle by dvdit pro hd and will of course be reencoded to m2ts files, Roxios recommendations is to use source media with as high quality as possible to avoid artifacts.

Those 2 highspeed files are also able to import into, for example, adobe mediaencoder for creating 2 pass encoded m2v bluray files, those files are NOT reencoded by dvdit pro hd and will run straight through the program renamed to m2ts, this is my own workflow when I want to create as good quality as possible, it is also the one that takes a long time to create, especially the mov file and I only use it in "special" projects, my imagination tells me that there are some more deep in the movie when I am looking at my plasma, this also goes for dvd projects created in the same way.

What I really should want is to have Liquid to create a highspeed m2v file that is running straight through dvdit pro hd without the need to reencode it but noone has, so far, found the correct export settings for this.

 

Re: option 1

I am surprised that a fused HDV2 sequence needs re-encoding: this month's issue of the french magazine "Caméra Vidéo & Multimédia" has an article describing a method for authoring a BD with a HDV source file; basically their workflow is as follows:

• demux the HDV into a .m2v and a .wav file (this is exactly what Fuse does with a HDV2 timeline, right ?)
• encode the wav into AC3
• mux video & audio using tsMuxeR GUI tool (doom9) into a .m2ts file  --> no re-encoding is performed here !
• convert to a BD structure using TsRemux tool
• burn the BD using a BD-compliant burning tool.

 

BenoitM:

Re: option 1

I am surprised that a fused HDV2 sequence needs re-encoding: this month's issue of the french magazine "Caméra Vidéo & Multimédia" has an article describing a method for authoring a BD with a HDV source file; basically their workflow is as follows:

• demux the HDV into a .m2v and a .wav file (this is exactly what Fuse does with a HDV2 timeline, right ?)
• encode the wav into AC3
• mux video & audio using tsMuxeR GUI tool (doom9) into a .m2ts file  --> no re-encoding is performed here !
• convert to a BD structure using TsRemux tool
• burn the BD using a BD-compliant burning tool.

Seems to be some Beta version, will give it a try, we have to remember that bluray still is a new animal and that the m2ts files created have to be able to play on all players.

So, I got my Plextor 920 BD burner yesterday, and my first real bluray disc is created now, burned the 30 minutes iso file in 8 minutes on a 4X disc, it all works as with dvd discs, menus, animated buttons and so, just with a higher speed and quality of the videofile, rather cool.

A very important step to ensuring that your burnt blu-ray disk will infact play on the PS3 if you have one is to MAKE SURE you download the PS3 PATCH from the Roxio Forum and apply it to DVDit pro hd BEFORE attempting to do a blu-ray burn or compile your blu-ray iso file!!!

Trust me... don't spend a whole day trying to work out what you have wrong in the dvdit pro hd settings and just apply the patch.  Don't think that this patch only applies to PS3 firmware 1.6 it applies to 1.6 and above.  I am running 2.30 and I still needed this patch !!!!!

 click this link:  http://forums.support.roxio.com/index.php?s=fa5a94646ea6fcdb3fd9e40509e5ea54&showtopic=20583

I hope this is the right link.

 C

That is the link that I have used, works well, bluray is new and dvdit pro hd has been in the same shape since the release in early 2007, the update is needed, nice that you told this, hard to remember all I have done with this sys

If I wanted to just transfer the unedited HDV tape to Blu Ray HD disk, would I simply hook up my HDV camera to the Blu Ray HD Burner and play/record?

EmbeR:

If I wanted to just transfer the unedited HDV tape to Blu Ray HD disk, would I simply hook up my HDV camera to the Blu Ray HD Burner and play/record?

Of course not, there is no difference in creating dvd discs and bluray discs, bluray discs just plays faster, you cannot create a dvd disc directly from your cam by clicking record on your dvd burner, you´ll need an application for that.

Or you can use this and burn directly from your camera to the BD burner.

Tim

EmbeR:

If I wanted to just transfer the unedited HDV tape to Blu Ray HD disk, would I simply hook up my HDV camera to the Blu Ray HD Burner and play/record?

As Tim said, if you have a standalone DVD recorder to which you can connect your camera, then you can do just that. 

Many thanks guys.

So from what I can tell by the responses, I can't simply hook my camera up to a blu ray burner and burn raw tapes to blu ray disks in high definition like I do right now with my camera and my standard dvd set top recorder.  That is unless I get a stand alone device.

Thanks for the info!

My japanese isn´t what it should be but, if I understand it correct, that unit is also for creating dvds for playing them on an ordinary dvd player.

In that case it is a unit that makes hardware converting ov avi files to vobs or m2t files to m2ts on the fly and even puts them in the correct folder structure at the same time, all this in realtime, I will believe this when I see it.

Thomas, thanks for your workflow description.  Very useful. I am working in Liquid 7.2 on a feature length movie (90 mins) in HDV at 23.98fps.  I am outputting a 1080P .avi file (MPEG) at 23.98.  It works in DVDit Pro HD on all 10 DVD players if output to single layer but only 9 of the ten if output in dual layer.  The suspect machine plays all dual layer commercial release DVDs but not mine.  We would prefer to have an output that plays on all players since we plan to self distribute.  Would I be better off doing a different source file?  1080i and at 29.97 for the SD DVD at least?  Or use the MPEG2 Blu Ray output from Adobe Media Encoder as source for both SD and Blu Ray?
thanks
Max Mitchell 

Hi Max, there are a couple of questions in the same post here I think.

At first, I think that your own dvd player just not might be able to play your own DL discs, I have the same prob with my own dvd player and animated menu buttons on discs made from Liquid, works on all other players.

However, I see no need in using a DL disc for a 90 minutes dvd project as you are able to use adobe mediaencoder, just create a 2-pass encoded dvd file that fits well on a single layer disc and that runs straigth through dvdit pro hd without the need to reencode it and as you want it to be able to play for all, you should of course use interlaced all the way, export from Liquid to an interlaced MJPEG avi file, I suppose you create that one from an uncompressed hd timeline.

For bluray and as you want the very best there are and as you are working from a progressive timeline I think you should use the DNxHd codec220 mbps ntsc option, that one will be 30 fps progressive and fit well in adobe mediaencoder for creating a 2- pass progressive ntsc bluray file 

Thomas, thanks for your reply.  Even though DVDit Pro HD says you can write a standard DVD and a Blu Ray from the same project, is it better to create two projects?  One for standard DVD and one for Blu Ray so that you can use different source files? 

My film DVD includes six additional files for DVD "Extras" of over an hour.  I believe I need the Dual Layer because the extras make the total project two hours and thirty-five minutes.  Is it possible the cheap media can create a problem?  Should I create masters on disks from reliable brand names only?  Sony?  Panasonic?  TDK? 

Do you use the interlaced .avi file from Liquid directly into DVDit Pro HD?  Or do you reencode in Media Encoder as MPEG2 .m2v before going into DVDit Pro HD as you described in the first post above?  Or is that only for the Blu Ray projects?  

thanks for your time

Max Mitchell 

Thomas, thanks for your reply.  Even though DVDit Pro HD says you can write a standard DVD and a Blu Ray from the same project, is it better to create two projects?  One for standard DVD and one for Blu Ray so that you can use different source files? 

Sonic - Roxio has one of the very best encoders on the market and you can use the same source file and let dvdit pro hd do the encoding, you should use an interlaced source file for this 

My film DVD includes six additional files for DVD "Extras" of over an hour.  I believe I need the Dual Layer because the extras make the total project two hours and thirty-five minutes.  Is it possible the cheap media can create a problem?  Should I create masters on disks from reliable brand names only?  Sony?  Panasonic?  TDK? 

You didn´t mention the total length at first, you´ll need a dual layer disc to get enough high quality, maybe the use of an interlaced source file will fix the probs even with your own player

Do you use the interlaced .avi file from Liquid directly into DVDit Pro HD?  Or do you reencode in Media Encoder as MPEG2 .m2v before going into DVDit Pro HD as you described in the first post above?  Or is that only for the Blu Ray projects?  

All depends on what quality I want to have, if I want to have 2-pass encoding of my files and if I want to use progressive files on my discs

Edited later        And, as said in the header, this was once only written for bluray, even dear old Liquid does a nice job creating dvd discs if you don´t need any advanced dvd constructions. 

Thanks again, Thomas. 

Wanted to report my findings after much time testing.  I have created many different source files in different ways and used DVDit Pro HD to burn.  I won't list them all here.  My Liquid timeline is 1080P 23.98fps.  The best quality DVD I can burn from DVDit Pro HD comes from a 1080P 23.98fps .avi source file output from Liquid.  It was out of sync so I ran it through Sony Vegas and reoutput with the same specs using the Pic Video codec at best quality (20).  This fixed the audio sync issues. 

None of the 1080i 59.94 (interlaced) source files were as good.  The bottom field first version which someone said to use did not look good at all.  The presets for HD use top field first so I tried those.  Better.  My film has a fake news crawl which is used often.  The interlaced source files resulted in a jerky news crawl which was hard to read.  The progressive source files are smooth and easier to read.  I think the encoder in DVDit Pro HD did a good job.

I am not sure if I did the interlaced output from Liquid correctly.  I fused the 24p file and then placed it on a 1080i 59.95 timeline and let it render.  Then I output to .avi at 85 with the MPEG codec at 1080i 59.94 (29.97).  This file was in sync with audio, by the way, while the progressive was not.  As I said above, the resulting interlaced output was not as good as the progressive.  Does it help to also reset the properties of the fused file to interlaced as well as the timeline preset in this case? 

Regarding it not working on all players, the company doing our duplication said that some cheap DVD players will not play "burned" disks but only professionally duplicated discs stamped from a glass master.  Thanks for your help. 

Maybe you should open up a new thread in the editing sub forum and put your questions there as this thread was aimed for bluray creating out of liquid. hint hint

About your sync probs, do you happen to use onboard audio, that might cause this type of probs, strange that running a 85 mbps mjpeg avi file through Vegas can solve the sync probs.

But, as said, getting a progressive timeline out of liquid to a dvd disc created by dvd it pro might be discussed in another thread

I just tried to burn a BD-R disk from DVDit Pro.  When finished it says something like disk completed successfully but when I go to play it, nothing reads it.  The burner doesn't even recognize it.  The burner is a Pioneer BDR-202
Blu-ray Disc Burner that I bought recently from Videoguys because it was advertised along with DVDit Pro so I figured it was compatible.  DVDit Pro has no problem importing footage and recognizing both the footage & the burner so I don't know what is going wrong.  The footage plays in DVDit Pro but before burning needs to be re-encoded as mentioned above.  Everything appears normal and no error messages are ever given.  I have tried two disks.  The first one was an entire uncompressed project about 1 hour and 45 minutes in lengthwith both HD and SD footage scaled to fit.  The size was about 20gigs out of the available 25gigs on the BD-R disk.  The second test was a couple short unedited clips (one HDV2 and the other DV).  In each case, I exported using the MPEG2 HDV2 codec that matched my footage (1440x1080i).

EmbeR:

I just tried to burn a BD-R disk from DVDit Pro.  When finished it says something like disk completed successfully but when I go to play it, nothing reads it.  The burner doesn't even recognize it. 

As with dvd discs , your computer is not a good player and windows mediaplayer doesn´t even play bluray discs, you´ll need an application like, for example, Power Dvd Ultra to be able to play the disc on your computer.

If you know anyone that has a PS 3 , you should be able to watch your disc , maybe you can go to a store selling those and ask for a try if you don´t know anyone using a PS 3.

Alos other external bluray players should be able to play your disc but a computer is not the right place to check it if you don´t have the software installed that makes it possible for you to play it.

Point taken.  I should mention however, that the longer BD-R disk was tested at best buy on one of their demo players which also couldn't read it.  I don't recal the brand.  I have successfully played HD footage on a player on that computer (Nero I think) although it is a bit choppy.  That is not a DVD file though.  It is just the raw m2t files from the firestore drive. 

I have heard that they are coming out with HD graphics cards.  This isn't something new is it?  Do we need HD graphics cards to preview the footage?

EmbeR:

 Do we need HD graphics cards to preview the footage?

No, just correct configured software and hardware.

And, if your screen resolution is set to 1200 x 800 it will of course show your video in that resolution and not the 1440 x 1080 coming from the disc.

What DVD players should I be looking for to test out the disk?  Does it need to be burner compatible or DVDit Pro compatible?

EmbeR:

What DVD players should I be looking for to test out the disk?  Does it need to be burner compatible or DVDit Pro compatible?

As already said, dvd players don´t play bluray discs, you either need a good external bluray player as the PS3 connected to your hd widescreen or an app like power dvd ultra playing from your internal computer bluray player.

For more info about dvdit pro hd and workflows, you might look here.